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    Remington 1903A4 with M45 Scope

    Hey Guys,



    Just took possession of a very nice 1903A4. Appears to be in the correct SN range, and have all the correct parts. I just can not find any information on the M45 scope. Scope is marked "TELESCOPE, M45 NO. 3832; M.H.R. CO. 1943 - R.J.D."

    Any help you guys can give will be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N-Frame View Post
    Hey Guys,

    Just took possession of a very nice 1903A4. Appears to be in the correct SN range, and have all the correct parts. I just can not find any information on the M45 scope. Scope is marked "TELESCOPE, M45 NO. 3832; M.H.R. CO. 1943 - R.J.D."

    Any help you guys can give will be greatly appreciated.
    N-Frame,

    Could you post pictures of the scope or at least describe the reticle and/or the adjustments?

    Thanks,

    Jim

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    1903A4 with M45 Scope

    I will try to post some photos this evening. The only adjustment that I see is the windage adjustment of the Redfield mount. There does not appear to be an adjustment for elevation. Poyer's book mentions that there were at least a dozen different scopes used with the Remington, but only provides detail of a few. This particular rifle is in the first 3 million serial number block of 1903A4 rifles delivered.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N-Frame View Post
    Hey Guys,

    Just took possession of a very nice 1903A4. Appears to be in the correct SN range, and have all the correct parts. I just can not find any information on the M45 scope. Scope is marked "TELESCOPE, M45 NO. 3832; M.H.R. CO. 1943 - R.J.D."

    Any help you guys can give will be greatly appreciated.
    Sounds like you have an Artillery spotting scope. They were not made to be used as rifle scopes. That is why they do not have any adjustments and without any aqy to adjust the windage and elevation they would be pretty useless as a sniper scope. You need to find a Weaver 330C, M73 B1, M-81 or M-82.

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    scope is for a M3 anti tank gun. or other feild piece.

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    I gotta see pictures before I can comment further.

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    scope

    is your scope made from brass, and quite heavy? How long is it? Is it 3/4 inch or 1 inch diameter? what are the reticles like? also, did the 1903-a4 ever use the Lyman Alaskan Scope? thanks, duggaboy
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    Quote Originally Posted by duggaboy View Post
    is your scope made from brass, and quite heavy? How long is it? Is it 3/4 inch or 1 inch diameter? what are the reticles like? also, did the 1903-a4 ever use the Lyman Alaskan Scope? thanks, duggaboy
    Other than a few prototypes no M1903A4's were built with Lyman Alaskans (M73). The Alaskan is mentioned or depicted in at least two Tech manuals but thats about as far as it got - infortunately.

    The M73 did become available later and was used briefly on the M1C. By then A4 production had been concluded for months.

    There are some reports of M81's and M82's being used in Korea and I believe there may have been some aquisition of commercial Alaskans during the Korean War but i don't don't have a solid source or many details.

    In the mid 50's ordnance authorized the use of the M73, M81 and M82 on a " use until exhausted" basis. The standard scopes remained the M73B1 with the M84 as an approved alternative. By the late 60's the M73B1's were pretty much gone as well.

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    Here is a photo of the scope. Thanks for the help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by N-Frame View Post
    Here is a photo of the scope. Thanks for the help.


    Verry strange....

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