AIA #4 clone proofing

[Son]

Here you go- all the answers (or rather, the questions that were avoided or skirted) There is still no definitive response to any of the enquiries-

The Mystery of Australian International Arms

[Dimitri]

Are you telling me that CZ has someone assembling double barrel shotguns in the US?

You specifically mentioned rifles, the only rifles I can remember CZ USA importing is the VZ58 rifles. Rifles like handguns are covered and controlled by the State Department while the Shotguns your throwing into the mix are controlled by the Department of Commerce. So I am confused why your are adding something else to the mix.

I am not saying I know US laws in and out that is a job for a lawyer there are too many laws and clauses for everything relating to firearms, but I got a good basic knowledge of simple facts such as these, why would a Canadian know this? Because this Canadian browses American forums and he also has to deal with a lot of the State Department and Department of Commerce regulations when he is exporting from the US to Canada.

Personal opinion- I take offence to these obominations being called either Lee Enfields or Australian as they are neither!

Thanks for the back up Son.

Dimitri

[Son]

Like you, Dimitri, I tell it how I see it. Perhaps one day we'll all find out, but at the moment if AIA told me the sun was going to rise in the east tommorrow, I'd be getting a second and probably third opinion!

[ireload2]

You specifically mentioned rifles, the only rifles I can remember CZ USA importing is the VZ58 rifles. Rifles like handguns are covered and controlled by the State Department while the Shotguns your throwing into the mix are controlled by the Department of Commerce. So I am confused why your are adding something else to the mix.

I am not saying I know US laws in and out that is a job for a lawyer there are too many laws and clauses for everything relating to firearms, but I got a good basic knowledge of simple facts such as these, why would a Canadian know this? Because this Canadian browses American forums and he also has to deal with a lot of the State Department and Department of Commerce regulations when he is exporting from the US to Canada.



Thanks for the back up Son.

Dimitri

CZ imports a full line of sporting rifles and shotguns into the US. I think to suggest that they are assembled in the US is in error. The cost advantage that CZ USA has would be lost by assembling in the US.
Check out the CZ USA web site.

[villiers]

I´ve never yet looked askance at any Enfield on the basis of where it was made. Why should I start now with the AIA rifles?

[Alfred]

Personal opinion- I take offence to these obominations being called either Lee Enfields or Australian as they are neither!

I'd consider these a Lee Enfield type action rather than a Lee Enfield.
Much in the way a Winchester Model 54 or 70 , or the P-14 for that matter, is a Mauser type action rather than a Mauser action.

Ireload2
Very interesting information on proof testing and torture tests.

Sounds like the M10 should hold up fairly well. Though if I bought one I'd still keep loads in a safe zone, to ensure that the action didn't suffer undue wear over time.

The .308 Winchester never really appealed to me as either a hunting or target round, the .30/06 can do anything the .308 can at lower pressures.

The 7.62 NATO is best in a short throw action, and the converted Enfield actions actually have room to spare. This might come in useful if the throat allows the bullet to be seated out past normal OAL so the heaviest bullets don't take up powder space. A standard LE Magazine could be altered to feed the 7.62 with extra OAL. A target rifle need not be a magazine fed repeater in any case.

[tiriaq]

CZ imports a full line of sporting rifles and shotguns into the US. I think to suggest that they are assembled in the US is in error. The cost advantage that CZ USA has would be lost by assembling in the US.
Check out the CZ USA web site.

FWIW, CZ-USA is a subsidiary of CZ in the Czech Republic. Marketing arm of a foreign company. They are likely going to produce their products in whatever way makes the most sense for the US market.
Are current CZ longarms stocked up in North American or European walnut?

As far as Lee Enfileds in 7.62/.308 are concerned - personally I think it would be prudent to use loads that have the approximate pressure levels of the .303.

[Dimitri]

I think to suggest that they are assembled in the US is in error. The cost advantage that CZ USA has would be lost by assembling in the US.

Their VZ.58's have to be assembled in the US, their bolt action rifles and the shotguns which they are also importing due not. Military arms, of which the only one I found was the VZ.58 since this is a forum about military rifles in CZ's line up that is the one I decided to discuss. After all why would I talk about their hunting line in a military surplus forum?

Anyways VZ.58 rifles are banned from importation just like AK's are since 1989 due to them being a "non-sporting semi-automatic military pattern firearm" (which was expanded by Clinton in 1998 as well) and the reason CZ can import them is because they are done as part kits then they get assembled Stateside to comply with 922(r) which I posted earlier with US made parts. Just like anyone else can do the same thing, they are not imported as rifles but as part kits.

As for the cost advantage, alot of the stuff I buy from the CSR (machine tooling mainly) and its not that much cheaper then USA or Canadian made goods, some of CZ's bolt actions prices would buy me a very nice Remington Custom Shop M700.

Dimitri

[ireload2]

After all why would I talk about their hunting line in a military surplus forum?

Dimitri

You did it as a red herring. Why would you discuss a military autoloader here that is subject to different import restrictions than a commercial bolt gun?


>>>>some of CZ's bolt actions prices would buy me a very nice Remington Custom Shop M700. <<<<

Sure if you are talking about a .404 Jeffery or a .416 Rigby.
But try buying a .404 Jeffery, .416 Rigby from Remington's custom shop.

[Dimitri]

You did it as a red herring. Why would you discuss a military autoloader here that is subject to different import restrictions than a commercial bolt gun?

Because we are talking AIA rifles which claim to be military arms. I am trying to keep the topic on track, None the less know why Remington 798's made in Serbia are marked as such:



Its not because Remington wants that, its because its the current US law. Just as in Canada we have a similar law, and in most developed countries as well. Come August 27 or so, when I got access to my desktop, I will post the PDF files of both Canadian and American law on the marking on firearms stating the manufacturing location (even if its only the country as in the case of the picture above) needing to be marked on the firearm.

Dimitri