Any UK forumers involved in this?

[Brit plumber]

Suffolk police seize arsenal of almost 500 guns and 200k rounds of ammunition | Daily Mail Online

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[Peter Laidler]

I'm not too sure that anyone would be foolish enough to even admit that they'd breathed the same air......... Hell hath no fury like a woman spermed

[Patrick Chadwick]

As I already pointed out here

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=55863&page=2

- in Post #12, confirmed by BigDuke in Post 19, there are no photos of live ammunition. What is shown in the photos above is a bin full of used cartridge cases, i.e. scrap brass, and a bin full of bullets. Some jacketed, mostly lead, and a lot of those look like bullets for muzzle-loaders (note the deep recesses in the bases). So essentially a bin full of scrap lead. Since a lie is the deliberate presentation of an untruth in spite of knowledge to the contrary, I leave it to your judgement whether a police spokesman calling this "ammunition" constitutes a lie.

As to the weapons: whether any of them is in fact a usable weapon, or whether they are all de-acts, is again something about which we are probably not going to be told the truth.

[Aragorn243]

Just terrifying. All those rounds of ammunition too. He could have hit someone in the eye with one of them. Good to see the UK media is just as bad as the US media.

[henry r]

that makes me sad. i'm assuming all the firearms will be destroyed.
it looks like he spent a lot of time and money on collecting his firearms, there are some pieces that would most of us would love to own (if possible). pity these was no legal way for him to own them so to do so he had to do it illegally.

is it standard police practice to disassemble live rounds, as none of ammunition looked live int the pics.

edit: you gents beat me to it.

[CINDERS]

All these found a good home with me they are all inert the Red Devil was a good find as you do not often see them here. Interesting is the shape difference between the 2 Mills 36's the white one is dumpier could this be of WWI vintage.

[CINDERS]

That Bren looked good along with the Thompson, the AR-16 and...........Bugger some of them I would just like in my gun cabinet legally of course gents.

[Brit plumber]

I was hoping there may have been someone on the forum who may have been involved in the investigation, i.e. An expert witness. There is a lively debate on another forum and basicaly the deceased accused has been found guilty by some folk. I observed the inert ammo and also that the STEN Mk3 is clearly deactivated. What I tried to say to the forum members was that the story was false and had lost credability. I suspect there were live guns and ammo but nothing like the quantity stated and I believe in the Inocent until proven guilty statement.

[bigduke6]

I was hoping there may have been someone on the forum who may have been involved in the investigation, i.e. An expert witness. There is a lively debate on another forum and basicaly the deceased accused has been found guilty by some folk. I observed the inert ammo and also that the STEN Mk3 is clearly deactivated. What I tried to say to the forum members was that the story was false and had lost credability. I suspect there were live guns and ammo but nothing like the quantity stated and I believe in the Inocent until proven guilty statement.

BP, I had never heard of him or any associates...... I looked up to see what I could find regarding Buckland and his Business, it seems he was involved or produced L1A1 straight pulls....... as for the story, I think it was just the press blowing it out of all proportion. As I said in Patricks post, I remember a big stink regarding a guy who collected grenades, a very impressive collection of No36 Grenades, probably all destroyed........

There is a few articles regarding Buckland, seems he was a Walter Mitty type, MBE, ex SAS etc...... but seems he was in the REME ..... and an Armourer !!! (strange types those REME Armourers )

See link below regarding an article in Gunmart regarding Buckland,


Bucklands Riflescopes review | Scopes and Optics Reviews | Gunmart

[Patrick Chadwick]

I observed the inert ammo

No, sorry mate, I don't think you did. I apologize if that seems somewhat abrupt, but in cases where the evidence is being twisted, it is a mistake to let yourself be drawn into the twisted definitions of those who appear to have a certain agenda, thus inadvertently accepting their position.

In the photos I have seen*, there is NOT ONE EXAMPLE OF A LIVE ROUND. But plenty of fired cartridge cases, as can be seen by the blackening and riffling in/around the necks, and the firing pin impressions on those few primers that can be seen. A fired case - no live primer, no powder, no projectile, is NOT INERT AMMO, IT IS NOT AMMO AT ALL.

Sorry to shout, but we should be precise about such things, as it seems that impreciseness is being used here by the press (and apparently the police) as a tool to paint a false picture.

*There may, of course, be others that I have not observed.