Reference Thread - Poulins and James Julia Auctions (March 7-11, 2008)

[Lance]

Some of the Stern No.4 T's just popped up on Gunbroker, the two listed were two of the three worst examples there. I did not even bother to stay at the auction to see what they originally sold for.

[Badger]

Anyone know what the set of PIATs in the crate sold for?

The Piat's sold for between $3-4k (did not write it down) in a nice Greek transit chest. I would of like one but did not/could not afford the whole lot.

Here you go …

Price includes auction house Buyer's Premium of 15-17%

THREE (3) BRITISH P.I.A.T. ANTI-TANK WEAPONS. SN IC/A54633: IC/BZ12456: GZ14565. Cal. 88mm - The P.I.A.T. (Projector, Infantry, Anti-Tank) was an active anti-tank launcher for the British Infantry from 1942 to 1950. Here we have 3 fantastic specimens packaged in a Greek WWII Army issue wooden crate. There is an inert / practice round included with each launcher for a total of 3. The projectile launched was an 88mm, 3 pound warhead with an impact fuse and was launched by a propelling charge in a hollow tail between the warhead and the stabilizing fins. Although it had a reasonable maximum range, the actual range it was found to be effective was in the area of 100 yards or so. The launchers measure 39 inches in length and weigh approximately 32 pounds. They have a bipod that mounts in a ring area in front of tube. They utilize a large internal spring to assist in the firing mechanism and to help tame the enormous recoil. The shoulder piece has a rubber filled, canvas pad laced on the stock section and 2 tan, web slings on the right side of the launcher. The rear sight (aiming mechanism) is on the left side of the tube behind the pistol grip and the front sight is a folding pin located above the front of the trigger guard. A small cork (on a retention chain) is attached to the tube on the right side. The cork is used to plug the mechanism after it is cocked, before loading the projectile. The steel pistol grip is covered with a black plastic, 2-piece covering. It is important to note that the BATFE had listed these in Section III of the Curios & Relics List: Weapons Removed From The NFA As Collector's Items And Classified As Curios Or Relics Under The GCA. These are no longer NFA firearms and simply transfer as standard, Title I firearms! No transfer fees and no NFA style paperwork wait. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Good – These interesting launchers are a great find, especially with their practice rounds and fitted wooden crate. It would be a great addition to any collection or just an opportunity for a few buddies to chip in on something really unique and reasonably priced. 4-34680 JZ99 (2,800-3,800)

Sold for $5,750 U.S.

Regards,
Badger

[Badger]

Some of the Stern No.4 T's just popped up on Gunbroker, the two listed were two of the three worst examples there. I did not even bother to stay at the auction to see what they originally sold for.

Are these the ones?

All prices include auction house Buyer's Premium of 15-17%

278 *BRITISH NUMBER IV MARK I (T) SNIPER RIFLE. SN AQ7384. Cal. 303. These sniper versions of the Mark I were fitted with scope mounts on the left side of the receiver. Many of these rifles were converted by Holland & Holland and used various telescopes. This one is fitted with a Number 32 telescope. Rifle is also equipped with a spike bayonet and web frog as well as a leather sling with brass keepers. Rifle is equipped with a transit chest. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Rifle shows excellent with the receiver and trigger housing showing better than 95% orig finish. No pitting is present and it is very pleasing. The scope mount, which is numbered to the gun, has approximately 95% of black Parkerized finish. The telescope shows approximately 85% of its finish with some minor nicks through the enamel showing brass. Optics are clear. Leather brass lens caps are in excellent condition. Middle and front bbl bands retain better than 85% orig finish as does the front sight and bbl assembly. Upper handguards show only the slightest of scuffing as does the front wood. Rear receiver wood and buttstock show a little more scarring with a couple of significant bruises at the bottom of the wrist (buttstock retains a different SN). Cheekpiece and aluminum buttplate show excellent with no dents or scarring at all. Action is crisp and bore is bright and shiny, showing light wear. All in all a pretty nice number IV. Transit chest is in good condition. 4-34080 BK122 (2,800-3,800)

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Sold for $4,888 U.S.



279 *NUMBER IV MARK I (T) BRITISH SNIPER RIFLE. SN S39516. Cal. 303. These sniper versions of the Mark I were fitted with scope mounts on the left side of the receiver. Many of these rifles were converted by Holland & Holland and used various telescopes. This one is fitted with a Number 32 telescope. Rifle is also equipped with a spike bayonet and web frog as well as a leather sling with brass keepers. Also includes very nice British web scope case and transit chest. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Receiver retains approximately 95% of a possible re-finish dark gray Parkerizing as does the matching scope mount. Telescope is a number 32, showing better than 95% of orig enamel with crystal clear optics that show nearly new. It also has a red "W" and blue "B" painted on the sides. Scope caps are also excellent. Bbl shows better than 95% orig blue with just slight markings from having the bayonet taken on and off. Front sight and bands show better than 95% orig finish. Upper handguards are in exceptional condition with one or two very slight bruises in the front one. Lower guards, which are matching number to gun, are also in magnificent shape showing very little marks at all. Triggerguard and magazine assembly show better than 90% orig black matte finish. Buttstock and cheekpiece are in excellent condition (though not matching) with just a minimal of bruising as is the brass buttplate. A very nice Number IV sniper rifle with crisp action and excellent bright and shiny bore. 4-34081 BK124 (3,300-4,550)

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Sold for $7,475 U.S.



282 *NUMBER IV MARK I (T) BRITISH SNIPER RIFLE. SN H37807. Cal. 303. These sniper versions of the Mark I were fitted with scope mounts on the left side of the receiver. Many of these rifles were converted by Holland & Holland and used various telescopes. This one is fitted with a Number 32 telescope. Rifle is also equipped with a blade bayonet Number 7 MK I/L for British rifles, that appears to be adaptable to more than one type of rifle and should be looked at very closely, the web frog as well as a leather sling with steel keepers are present. Magazine well and buttstock are not numbered to this gun but are in like condition. Rifle is equipped with a transit chest. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Rifle retains what appears to be a re-Parkerized finish with the receiver and matching scope base retaining better than 98%. Bbl bands remain in excellent condition and retains 98% finish. Exposed portion of the bbl showing about 85% with some light scratching from installation of the bayonet. Bayonet is a knife blade with mica, or plasitc, handles with "England" embossed in the left grip. Upper handguards are in very good condition with the front one showing just a couple of light bruises and the rear showing near mint. Lower handguard and front stock assembly is in very good condition, being numbered to this gun, with very prominent proof marks. Triggerguard assembly shows 98% of orig blue and the buttstock is in exceptional condition showing little to no scarring at all. Cheekpiece is also in excellent condition as is buttplate. Telescope shows 90% finish with what appears to be some touch-up on the front sunshade and a red stenciled "W" upside down on the right side. Optics are excellent as are scope caps. Action is crisp and bore is bright and shiny showing little to no wear. Transit chest is in good condition. 4-34079 BK123 (2,800-4,300)

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Sold for $3,450 U.S.



369 *ENFIELD NUMBER 4 MARK I SNIPER RIFLE. SN 14C0725. Cal. 303 Brit. Savage made Enfield with 25" bbl, standard sights and 2-pc walnut stock with 2-pc upper handguard that has serrations on each side of the rear guard and it has a British brass & canvas sling. The comb has a screwed on wood cheekpiece and a gray metal buttplate with trap. Left side of receiver has the standard British sniper mount that has been renumbered a couple of times and contains a No. 32 MKIII sniper scope with serial number "18187" and dated "1945". Several thousand of these rifles were modified into sniper rifles by the British, particularly by Holland & Holland. CONDITION: Fine to very fine. The receiver, receiver ring & trigger guard retain most of their fine gray parkerized finish with bbl bands a thinned gray brown finish. Scope & mount retain most of their arsenal restored finish. Wood is sound with numerous nicks & dings and retains a hand worn patina. Mechanics are fine, strong bright bore with scattered light pitting. Optics are crisp & clear. 4-31822 (2,000-3,000)

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Sold for $2,875 U.S.

Here it is being re-sold on Gunbroker (click here) with a starting bid of $3,995.00

It didn't sell in his third auction attempt at that price, so ... Re-listed Gunbroker Auction (click here) still with a starting bid of $3,550.00 and a BUY NOW of $3,599.00 Finally sold for $2,800.00 U.S. (click here). I think he lost money on this one ...




370 *ENFIELD NO. 4 MARK I SNIPER RIFLE. SN L38636. Cal. 303 Brit. Usual configuration with 25-1/4" bbl, standard front sight with a 1,300 meter ladder rear sight. Left side of receiver has standard British sniper bases but, unfortunately is missing scope. Receiver ring is dated "1944". Mounted in a 2-pc walnut stock with 2-pc handguard and a white metal buttplate with trap. Comb of stock has a screwed-on cheekpiece. CONDITION: Rifle shows approx 95% of an arsenal finish on the receiver and trigger group. Bbl bands, bbl and front sight assembly show approx 75% enamel finish with some scratches. Buttstock and handguards show good overall, having been cleaned and arsenal refinished with only minor scuffing. Magazine shows a plum finish overall. Mechanics are fine, strong sharp bore that should clean very well. 4-31832 (700-1,000)

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Sold for $805 U.S.

It was re-sold on Gunbroker (click here) with a "buy now" bid of $1,299.00.



371 *BRITISH ENFIELD NO. 4 MARK I SNIPER RIFLE. SN 30721. Cal. 303 Brit. Usual configuration with 25-1/4" bbl, standard front sight with a 300 & 600 yard 2-position flip rear sight. Left side of receiver has standard British sniper bases but, unfortunately is missing scope. Receiver ring is dated "1944". Mounted in a 2-pc walnut stock with 2-pc handguard and a white metal buttplate with trap. CONDITION: Fine. Metal retains most of its orig arsenal finish with magazine retaining about 85% finish. Wood is sound with nicks & dings and a hairline crack by receiver ring in forestock and retains an arsenal restored finish. Mechanics are fine, brilliant shiny bore. 4-31831 (700-1,000)

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Sold for $748 U.S.

It was re-sold Gunbroker (click here) with a "buy now" bid of $1,350.00.

Regards,
Badger

[Badger]

For you L42 collectors .....

All prices include auction house Buyer's Premium of 15-17%

283 *BRITISH ENFIELD L42A1 SNIPER RIFLE. SN M37044. Introduced in 1970, this rifle is a converted number 4 (T) chambered for the 7.62mm cartridge. Half stocked with upper handguard with 27.6" heavy barrel. A converted number 32 Mark 3 scope is used marked, "TEL.STRT.STG.L1A1." Rifle is complete with crate , manual and accessories. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Overall shows good with the receiver showing approximately 90% to 95% enamel finish and the bbl showing approx 85% finish with a slightly frosty bore. Upper and lower handguard show good overall with the upper being a replacement as the color is slightly off. Buttstock and cheekpiece show good with only light scuffing present and a slight arsenal repair just in front of the buttplate on top. Scope shows approx 65% to 70% enamel with the balance flaking to brass and clear optics. Leather scope caps show good. Sling is good. 4-34008 BK142 (1,500-2,000)

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Sold for $3,105 U.S.



284 *BRITISH ENFIELD L42A1 SNIPER RIFLE. SN N31729. Introduced in 1970, this rifle is a converted number 4 (T) chambered for the 7.62mm cartridge. Half stocked with upper handguard with 27.6" heavy barrel. A converted number 32 Mark 3 scope is used marked, "TEL.STRT.STG.L1A1." Rifle is complete with crate, manual and accessories. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Rifle shows good overall condition with the receiver and scope mount showing approx 95% of the applied black enamel finish. Bbl also shows approx 95%. Upper and lower handguards show near excellent, showing no abuse at all. Buttstock and cheekpiece show very good with light scattered rub marks with an arsenal repair on the top of the stock directly in front of the buttplate. Scope shows near excellent with 98% of finish intact and clear optics. Leather scope caps show new. Sling shows excellent. 4-33993 BK143 (2,200-2,600)

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Sold for $5,175 U.S.



285 *BRITISH L42A1 SNIPER RIFLE WITH CRATE. SN A32542. Introduced in 1970, this rifle is a converted number 4 (T) chambered for the 7.62mm cartridge. Half stocked with upper handguard with 27.6" heavy barrel. A converted number 32 Mark 3 scope is used marked, "TEL.STRT.STG.L1A1." Rifle is complete with crate, manual and accessories. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Overall condition is good with a slightly frosty bore. Rifle retains approx 85% to 90% of the added black enamel finish from when it was remanufactured. Upper and lower handguards show good overall with only light scuffing present as rebuilt. Buttstock with added cheekpiece also show very good overall with only light scuffing present. Telescope has crystal clear optics with leather scope caps that show new. 4-34043 BK141 (2,000-2,700)

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Sold for $4,888 U.S.


Regards,
Badger

[Badger]

Some exotic and experimental stuff .....

All prices include auction house Buyer's Premium of 15-17%

183 *EXTREMELY RARE PRE-WWII EXPERIMENTAL SEMI-AUTO MILITARY RIFLE. SN 8. Cal. 6.5 Jap. Made at Nippon Special Steel Factory as a copy of the American & British Pedersen rifle with 23-1/4" bbl, integral front sight pedestal with hooded barleycorn sight. The receiver has the Pedersen style toggle action bolt with a stripper clip slot in the front edge. The rear sight is integral with rear edge of receiver and has an adjusting knurled knob graduated from 300 to 1,500 yards. The detachable box magazine is released via a catch in the front edge of trigger guard that has a push button safety to prevent the magazine being released prematurely. Rifle safety is a swinging lever on right side just above trigger. Mounted in 2-pc wood stock with the forestock split longitudinally with grasping grooves below middle band and five cooling slots on each side above middle band. It has sling loops on left side with a smooth metal buttplate. All visible parts are numbered "8" except magazine which bears the numbers "2" on the body and "4" on the base. This rifle operates on a gas system which has a pressure relief piston below muzzle through the upper band. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Very good. Metal retains about 50% thin orig blue turning plum with balance a gray patina. The forestock has a small arsenal repair at left rear edge, otherwise is sound and original with numerous nicks, dings & scratches and retains a hand worn patina. Buttstock has a crack through the bottom buttplate screw hole, otherwise is sound with nicks, dings & scratches and retains generous amounts of orig factory finish. Mechanics are crisp, strong sharp bore, dark in the grooves. 4-33701 JR151 (7,500-12,500)


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Sold for $23,000 U.S.



238 *RARE BRITISH PEDERSEN SEMI-AUTO MILITARY RIFLE. SN 98. Cal. 276 Pedersen. Very rare limited production rifle with 24" bbl, orig sleeve front sight with the unusual spiral machined cooling vanes over rear 2/5 of bbl, with a pierced metal hand guard cover. Action is the unusual George Luger-style knee action toggle-style with a vernier peep sight integral at back end with windage adjustment. It has a box magazine that loads from top and is mounted in a 1-pc walnut stock with two bands. Front band is split like the U.S. military models with integral bayonet lug & stacking swivel. Middle band has a sling loop with corresponding loop in butt. Sides of forestock have grasping grooves and bottom of forestock has cooling vents and it is fitted with a checkered, stamped steel buttplate and is accompanied by a U.S. military brass & leather sling. Also accompanied by a U.S. Remington Model 1917 bayonet & green leather scabbard, dated "1918". PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Extremely fine. Metal retains most of its orig arsenal finish with some thinning on toggle link and sharp edges. Stock is sound with nicks, dings & scratches and a series of bruises just above trigger on right side. Mechanics are fine, brilliant shiny bore. Sling is very fine with some verdigris around brass. Bayonet is extremely fine, retaining virtually all of its orig factory finish. 4-34101 JR45 (8,000-12,000)

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Sold for $13,800 U.S.



239 *EXTREMELY RARE BRITISH FARQUAHR-HILL PATENT EXPERIMENTAL SEMI-AUTO RIFLE. SN 22. Cal. 303 British. Very unusual rifle with 26" tapered rnd bbl, Enfield style protected front sight and an unusual vernier ladder rear sight mounted to rear of receiver. It has an all metal handguard with a round oak grip post mounted to a multiple position rail on bottom. Sides of handguard have sliding covers with multiple ports, apparently for either cooling or gas relief. Left side of receiver has British Patent number. The most unusual feature is the large detachable sheet metal drum magazine. Mounted with an uncheckered straight grain semi-pistol grip buttstock with smooth rifle buttplate with trap containing a British pull-through. It has sling loops on front band with a corresponding loop in buttstock containing a brown leather sling. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Very fine. Overall retains 75-80% orig blue on metal handguard with a heavy dent in upper section. Bbl & receiver retain most of their orig arsenal blue. Magazine is mostly a gray/brown patina. Buttstock is sound with usual nicks & dings and retains most of its orig factory varnish. Mechanics are crisp, brilliant shiny bore. Sling is fine. 4-34103 JR41 (3,000-5,000)

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Sold for $12,650 U.S.


286 *EXPERIMENTAL BRITISH BOLT ACTION REPEATING MILITARY SERVICE RIFLE. SN 6. Cal. 303 British. Unusual rifle with 25" bbl with protected front sight and a unique bayonet with 7-1/2" spike that stores under bottom of bbl and mounts in forward extended position by means of a spring loaded plunger. Muzzle has two detent holes for mounting either on bottom or side. Rear sight is a 2-position peep sight graduated 300 to 600 yards. Receiver is machined steel with integral box magazine, a stamped sheet metal trigger & trigger guard with crossbolt safety and small wood panels on each side. Buttstock is typical Enfield pattern with the stock ring welded to back of receiver. Left side of receiver has an integral scope mount. The forestock is large & rounded, uncheckered with a matching handguard. It has sling loops on front band and on stock with a white metal buttplate with trap containing cleaning equipment and an oiler. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Extremely fine. Metal retains most of its orig arsenal finish with slight sharp edge wear and some blue wear on front sling band. Wood is sound with usual light nicks & dings and retains most of its orig arsenal varnish. Mechanics are crisp, strong bright bore, frosty in grooves. 4-34189 JR43 (2,500-5,000)

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Sold for $12,650 U.S.

Regards,
Badger

[Badger]

For you sten gun fans .....

All prices include auction house Buyer's Premium of 15-17%

44 *BRITISH STEN MKI SUB MACHINE GUN. SN 294029. Cal. 9mm. Very dark gray Parkerized finish on all exposed metal. Front sight protected stationary post. Rear sight stationary peep. Sling swivel in front of bbl and inside loop stock. Canvas sling, and 30-rnd magazine are also included. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Good. Finish is dark and uniform with regular rack and handling wear. Open bolt mechanism functions smooth by hand in both safe and semi. Bbl has lots of rifling. 4-34655 JZ29 (7,000-9,000)


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Sold for $32,200 U.S.



45 *GERMAN MODEL MP3008 SUB MACHINE GUN. SN RDE45. Cal. 9mm luger. 8" bbl. This very rare submachine gun was a direct German copy of the Sten. This model was produced by Mauser as well as six other firms and appeared early on in several versions intended for Volkssturm use. Production did not begin until close of the end of the war. This gun at first glance looks almost identical to the British Sten, with the exception of the magazine well which is at the six 'o clock position rather than the standard nine o' clock position. Ejection is still out the right hand side. Very crude front sight constructed from a ring and shaped to a point. Rear sight is a fixed peep sight again very similar to that of the Sten. Gun utilizes standard MP38 and MP40 32-rnd magazines. Sling attachment is fixed to front of magazine well. Rear of receiver marked with a serial number in front of the stock. Stock was designed to resemble a loop type Sten stock. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Very good. Although the workmanship of these firearms were crude and spot welded that can't take away from the rarity and overall condition of this fine specimen. The bbl is shiny and rifling is sharp. Open bolt mechanism functions well by hand in safe, and semi full automatic. 4-34656 JZ44 (16,000-19,000)

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Sold for $37,375 U.S.



69 *BRITISH STEN MARK II SUB MACHINE GUN. SN 55405. Cal. 9mm luger. Manufactured by J.L. & CO LTD (England). 7-3/4" bbl "T style stock." Standard welded blade front sight, standard welded peep rear sight, all Parkerized gray finish, and includes one magazine. PROVENANCE: Stern Collection. CONDITION: Currently Unserviceable. Althought all paperwork indicates this is an orig. transferable machine gun it may have been dewated at one time. Bbl has an obstruction, and bbl shroud has been tack welded to receiver. Could be easily inexpensively restored to fully operational. Everything else seems correct, and open bolt mechanism functions properly in both semi, and full. All metal Pakerized w/ heavy coverage shows light rack and handling wear. 4-34653 JZ17 (5,000-8,000)

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Sold for $8,338 U.S.


Regards,
Badger

[stencollector]

Ever notice how most of the British no4T snipers (along with their L42 offspring) have serial numbers in the 3X,XXX range? 7 out of the 8 British Enfields listed above are in that range, albeit different and various letter prefix's.

Amazing some of these prices, and some of the deeeeep pocketbooks that have bought them.

[Claven2]

Nice Sten Mk1!!! Too bad it didn't have the conical flash hider too, though im my case the point is moot. It's not really ownable for 99.999% of us in Canada BWAAAA!!! I'm not grandfathered!!!

[stencollector]

Nice Sten Mk1!!! Too bad it didn't have the conical flash hider too, though im my case the point is moot. It's not really ownable for 99.999% of us in Canada BWAAAA!!! I'm not grandfathered!!!

Grandfathered or not, I doubt you or any other Canadian would spend 32,200 US $ on a gun that you can't take to the range here in Canada.

I have bought F/As in the past and had them transferred to my local gunsmiths for deactivation. I don't even want to mention what some of them are...but suffice to say they would have done nicely at this auction if they were allowed South.

[Badger]

369 *ENFIELD NUMBER 4 MARK I SNIPER RIFLE. SN 14C0725. Cal. 303 Brit. Savage made Enfield with 25" bbl, standard sights and 2-pc walnut stock with 2-pc upper handguard that has serrations on each side of the rear guard and it has a British brass & canvas sling. The comb has a screwed on wood cheekpiece and a gray metal buttplate with trap. Left side of receiver has the standard British sniper mount that has been renumbered a couple of times and contains a No. 32 MKIII sniper scope with serial number "18187" and dated "1945". Several thousand of these rifles were modified into sniper rifles by the British, particularly by Holland & Holland. CONDITION: Fine to very fine. The receiver, receiver ring & trigger guard retain most of their fine gray parkerized finish with bbl bands a thinned gray brown finish. Scope & mount retain most of their arsenal restored finish. Wood is sound with numerous nicks & dings and retains a hand worn patina. Mechanics are fine, strong bright bore with scattered light pitting. Optics are crisp & clear. 4-31822 (2,000-3,000)

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Sold for $2,875 U.S.

Here it is being re-sold on Gunbroker (click here) with a starting bid of $3,995.00

It didn't sell in his third auction attempt at that price, so ... Re-listed Gunbroker Auction (click here) still with a starting bid of $3,550.00 and a BUY NOW of $3,599.00 Finally sold for $2,800.00 U.S. (click here). I think he lost money on this one ...

A follow up ....

I saw this posted by Peter over on Jouster's Enfield boards. I don't think he'd mind it repeated here for our members as well.

Re: I'm calling "Shenanigans!"
Posted By: Peter Laidler
Date: Sun 16 Mar 2008 7:42 am

If the telescope is 18187, then buyer beware. This scope was repaired by me from derelict condition in February 2001. It was one of a batch that came in from India.

Another bit of useless info for you forumers.............

Note the scope number in the James Julia Auction listing as "18187" and dated "1945". Sounds like the same one to me that Peter refers to.

Regards,
Badger