AK&S no32 mk3 scope

[Peter Laidler]

|Seaforth......... Don't understand any of it! Can you clarify what you want me to answer in separate Q's otherwise the answer could take a page! In short, if a telescope is removed from an unnumbered bracket its parentage to THAT rifle is lost because the match is via the cross referenced tele and rifle number. Remove the tele from the bracket and any cross reference is lost. Now imagine the total chaos of 20 T rifles in a big workshop all being totally stripped on a bench and being rebuilt later. Yes, you can match the tele to the rifle from the paperwork. But you cannot match the most important part of the equation......... The bracket and rifle. So, if for any reason you have to remove the tele, you MUST number the bracket.

[vintage hunter]

a mismatched bolt are no big deal

No, not as long as it's been fitted correctly it's no biggie but if it was just crammed in there willy nilly by joe blow it could be.

I would like to see a pic of under the wrist to see if it has the S51 stamp

All you need to do is read the description a bit closer or better yet look at the comb, no screw holes for a cheek rest. That butt has never been within 10 miles of H&H and I have my doubts about the rest of the wood without seeing more of it.
And the butt is beech, not walnut.
Still think it's a bit much though, 'specially since I plundered onto a scopeless one today that's right as rain for considerably less.

[Roger Payne]

I was intrigued to have a look to see what this scopeless 4T on the link is really like. I am pretty sure it's an original T but it has a lot of issues. The butt as VH said is clearly a replacement & is of beech not walnut; the muzzle looks to have been repainted with some black paint that has already flaked a lot & which clearly isn't suncorite; the woodwork has been sanded to within an inch of its life (look at the edges), & the front body pad has been removed & replaced at some point. The front one of the front pad screws looks to be a flat head to me, & the screw slots of the other two screws do not align with the centre punch marks. The ends of the screws were also milled off at H&H which is why they are so exactly flush with the inner body wall on unadulterated 4T's, yet these have been trimmed neatly but look to me to finish just a little short. (This is just what you would do if trimming them to length on a lathe prior to fitting, as you would not want to risk them being too long & fouling the travel of the bolt).

However, I think if it came at the right price it could make a nice restoration project. I'd enjoy working on it.

Just my tuppence worth of drivel, by the way!

ATB

[tedd]

Hello,
Any suggestions or pointers ref building a replica no4 "T" rifle on which to mount a no32 mk3
Tedd

[bigduke6]

Hello,
Any suggestions or pointers ref building a replica no4 "T" rifle on which to mount a no32 mk3
Tedd

There is an article in the Knowledge Library by Peter Laidler on building one, my only concern on these replica/repro builds are they are not done on a decent run of the milsurp, use a sporterized / target rifle or rebuilt No4 for the starting blocks, plenty of of them about.

Think about the cost also, it does add up ....... Saving for the scope less No4T is the way to go.....I do understand the urge to fit your No32 scope to a rifle but you have the most expensive/ desirable part to start with in my opinion.

[tedd]

I was thinking of building a "shooter" rifle based on a no4 mk2 to mount my genuine no32 mk3 on, then when i manage to get a genuine "T" i can mount same scope and enjoy both worlds!!

Tedd

[bigduke6]

I may be able to help you out on that one Tedd, ever thought of a L8 (T)...?

[CINDERS]

I agree with RP's observations on the rifle but the things that I would be more worried about with that rifle would be functionality; is the throat worn, loose pads, FPP and condition of it, what wear and tear is on the cocking piece, has the crown been damaged, is the bore crisp without any rust patches from poor storage, has any attempt been made by bubba to re-bed the thing, is there any other damage to the working parts, CHS, whats the spring tension on the main spring like, are the draws stuffed (My T's were absolutely r**ted, been fixed), does the mag feed well & spring tension on the floor plate and so on, and it has the correct stamps I see it has the "s" and some marks on the flats but cannot really tell. I mean we have a 71 year old rifle here. Some may go on atheistics me I just like to know the bits that really count are all in good shape but I also agree that the stock should in good condition not warped or cracked who knows what happened to the butt, my '21 Lithgow has in the white fore stocks I do not know what happened to them who cares not me besides its a safe queen! Your just not going to get a pristine scopeless T in the grease with no blemishes for that price. BD6 may be a good option as well as right from the start you know who they are and what you get will be on the money.
It does not take long to strip a #4 down to check this stuff provided the seller will allow you to do that!

IMOO as long as the rifle measures up after being taken to a reputable gunsmith and a report made on its condition then we can only surmise on what the visual stuff presents us in the advert, it may be a heap of junk so move on but then again it could be a sleeper me I would get it checked over and go from there, a good haggle with a seller is always a good show..........

[tedd]

Thanks for the offer bigduke6 but i already have a Envoy.
Tedd

[bigduke6]

No worries Tedd, only mention it as I,ve had a No4 Mk 2 in 7.62mm for some time, It was sporterized but barrel wasn't cut, would be a good canvas for a repro build, but if you are looking for other bits let me know I,m having a good clear out at present just not enough hours in the day to complete some of my projects.... and shoot as well.