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If your outside the rounds ballistic effectiveness then it may well be pot luck as when it is going through supersonic transitioning subsonic it is unstable until it sleeps again.
We have all seen WWII vet Ted Bundy (Dec RIP) with the think its an A5 .308 put 3 rounds into the head of the figure at 1000Yds being a 5" 3 shot group thats 1/2 MOA at that range which is pretty damn awesome.
I saw the burst on another sniper who took out a RH with a Barret S/A fifty aiming ** feet above his head think it was a 3 second flight time against a walking target the shot was at altitude so air resistance would be less he took the RH out with the follow up shot as he was aiming where the target was going to be.
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06-28-2020 07:47 AM
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The video of WWII vet Ted Gundy is one of my favourite videos.
After seeing the top US sniper team set up the rifle with body shot's at the 1,000 yard plate and then Ted say's, "I'll just be happy to hit the target" Then stick his 3 shots in the head; it's pure magic!
The young guy's were totally gobsmacked!
Regarding my original question; at 3500 mteres to target;
Would the actual target remain in the visual of the scope? would the scope have enough adjustment to compensate for the bullet drop at that range?
Would you have to reduce magnification to gain if field of vision?
Using the ballistic calculator out to 4,000 yards shows at 3800 yards a bullet drop of over 21000 inches, or around 600 yards. which is shown as around 530 MOA at that distance.
The Schmitt Bender scope metioned above has 65 MOA elevation adjustment acccording to there website.
I don't shoot scoped rifles so don't know the capabilities; so this may appear a dumb question. But worth asking!
Last edited by 30Three; 06-28-2020 at 05:27 PM.
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The obvious answer to the scope picture range problem is - if you are going to shoot at a couple or three kilometers, you wouldn't zero your scope at 200 yards to start off with. An army sniper would surely have the opportunity to zero the scope at a much longer range, so that the planned final target would still be within the visible range of the scope.
I have not fired at anything like 3.5km, but I have shot a couple of times at 1000 yards with a 45-70 Sharps, using iron sights and a 520 gn bullet. The drop is enormous at that range - something like 35-40 meters. The flight time was also 2-3 seconds, and experienced spotters were able to count "BANG...two...three" and see the dust of the impact, thus enabling me to shift the POI back from the next county to somewhere nearer the target. I actually hit the black a couple of times. Better shooters were slotting them all into the black.
Using my basic "well-oiled thumb" estimates, a rifle firing a bullet of the same order of weight, but three times as fast (similar flight time), ought to have a similar drop (i.e 40 meters) at 3 times the range. And we are talking about a very modern rifle with a BC that must be much better than that of my round-nose solid-lead bullets. In short, I think there might be a "0" too many in those 21000 inches.
So I respectfully suggest that the 21000 inch drop needs to be checked by someone who has the ballistic data.
Last edited by Patrick Chadwick; 06-28-2020 at 06:29 PM.
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I confess I really don't know the answer. Is anyone here a member on one of the specialist ELR or sniper's forums, like snipershide? There's probably people out there who've discussed this at length and know the answer off by heart.
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Thanks for your input guys. Obviously we need some real data of the bullet to calculate this properly. The figures I quoted were from an online ballistics calculator; after about 2000 yards it drops off real quick.
Standard .50 calibre probably has different ballistics to a special sniper round; but gravity will always remain a constant.
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The rifleman who knows his firearm and the ammunition it fires very well, will be able to engage long distance targets by applying the skills learnt as a rifleman and sniper. And allow for minor problems such as distance, bullet drop, wind changes at 1000/2000/3000 meters, heat mirage, movement of the target, bullet flight time, etc.
Takes a lot of skill to be able to hit the target at that distance, it certainly wasn't a fluke.
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