L42A1 1975

[desperatedan]

Geoffrey Organ died some 4 years ago, and as an ex Enfield employee, & knowing what the correct markings should be I doubt he would have got up to such shenanigans, and, certainly is not in a position to have 'remade them' this last week or so.

Just for clarity, "EFD" is not the same company as "Enfield Rifles"

Well said Alan and helpful clarification.
There is a historical link though as I'm led to believe that the individual behind "Enfield Guns" was a former business partner of the late GO.

[Roy W]

Well said Alan and helpful clarification.
There is a historical link though as I'm led to believe that the individual behind "Enfield Guns" was a former business partner of the late GO.

Exactly this. No inference was made that Geoffrey Organ was involved, however the lineage of the company selling this rifle is well known and the connection of Mr Thorp, is relevant given his comments on here.

Bottom line is this is fraud and anyone supporting it is verging on conspiracy to defraud.

[Brian Dick]

Sorry Mark but I don't see any personal attacks here other than the one you just lodged on our British brothers. It says a lot. Do you have a financial interest in the sale? Some of us don't want to see another enthusiastic buyer get burnt by this questionable seller and overpriced rifle which would probably make someone a great shooter if described honestly and priced accordingly. The real truth is that it was bound to happen that unscrupulous folks would start cobbling up fakes as original rifle prices skyrocket. Having had 60+ original L42A1 rifles through my hands in the past 25 years, (one importation of 30 at one time), I actually do know a little bit about them and can comfortably say that you are simply wrong in your opinion of this rifle. Brian

[Roger Payne]

For those of you who read Brian's post & feel a little confused, that is because Mr Thorp posted a few words intimating that he is entitled to free speech (which he is), & that forum members located in the UK ('Limeys') just don't like that. He reiterated that in his & others' views the rifle is genuine.

However, this post did not stay up for long & would seem to have been deleted, though by whom I do not know.

I only mention this to put Brian's message into context.

[Brian Dick]

The truth hurts Rog!

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Didn't he use the word "cowards"?

[Roger Payne]

I'm afraid he did......

[Roger Payne]

I mentioned the deleted post simply because Brian's response was still there & would not have made sense to people otherwise. My apologies if I've upset anyone.

[Promo]

While cursing should not be left in public, I do feel it is important that such messages are left because they allow classifying the first post of this user even better. Wow. This developed beyond what I had considered in my worst expectations.

Would BTW anyone unveil the name of the dealer? I could not find it on the website.

[RobD]

Mr Thorp gives his age as 89, and assuming this is correct, I propose we all should consider whether to allow the gentleman a modicum of dignity and leeway in the way he chooses to express himself. For I'm happy with strong views - and wrong views - just as long as nobody gets hurt!

If the rifle in question is a fake, and I accept it is, then let's see the proof spelled out, point by point. We'll all learn something.

The old caveat "I don't want to give the fakers the benefit of my knowledge" can also be a consideration, naturally.

[Roy W]

Mr Thorp gives his age as 89, and assuming this is correct, I propose we all should consider whether to allow the gentleman a modicum of dignity and leeway in the way he chooses to express himself. For I'm happy with strong views - and wrong views - just as long as nobody gets hurt!

If the rifle in question is a fake, and I accept it is, then let's see the proof spelled out, point by point. We'll all learn something.

The old caveat "I don't want to give the fakers the benefit of my knowledge" can also be a consideration, naturally.

The reasons for it being fake have been spelt out in this thread already, including the attempt to re-engrave it. Mr Thorp is entitled to his opinion, of course, but it is also acceptable that people know he was an associate of the seller when the seller was a business partner of EFD Rifles, as shown by the internet EFD Rifles screenshot. When EFD rifles closed, because the owner died, his business partner started Enfield Guns - so I believe and stand to be corrected. Hence Mr Thorps assertions, supported as they were, by no evidence whatsoever.