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1899 krag
I picked up a 1899 krag at an estate sale. my phone is broke so I can't post pictures. It has rifle sights on it and there is no sign of a date or cartouche. the stock has 3 holes in the butt trap for the cleaning rod. My question is are Krag carbine stocks supposed to have 2 or 3 holes for cleaning rod thanks
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11-21-2022 04:57 PM
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To quote a well known member hereabout that is also on another forum...
"butlersrangers 10-02-2015, 04:51
Many military weapons (Mausers, SKS & Mosins) have cleaning or clearing rods that are too short to clean their barrel. In the Field, 'mess mates' could combine pieces to make an adequate Rod. In Barracks, there were longer Barracks Rods available.
Not great logic, but, when the U.S. Krag went to the butt-trap and Sectional Rod, the Infantry Rifle was provided with three sections and the Cavalry Carbine got two sections (and most carbine stocks had three holes???)."
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Most Krag carbine stocks will have three-rod holes in the butt-trap. (This was so the machining operations were the same for rifle and carbine stocks).
Some early thin 'long-wrist' model 1896 stocks only had two holes. These are very rare gun stocks.
Supposedly, the carbine rod consisted of two sections and the sections were slightly heavier, than the three rifle rod-sections.
The easiest way to identify a U.S. Krag carbine stock, versus a 'cut-down' rifle stock, is by looking at the forearm-tip area.
The carbine stock will have a solid tip and the barrel-band will be retained by a flat band-spring, on the right-side of the stock-tip.
A shortened rifle stock will have a filler-plug fitted into the stock tip. (This hides a stock lightning-channel, that was exposed by the cutting of the rifle forearm).
The rifle barrel-band is clamped with a sling-swivel screw and retained by a cross-pin, through the stock forearm.
BTW - Krag receivers marked 'model 1899' were built as carbines.
Last edited by butlersrangers; 11-21-2022 at 07:55 PM.
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just another question I have had 3 krag carbines and all three of them had Rifle rear sights on them Is it common to fine Krag carbines with rifles sight? Also were 1902 rear rifle sights marked with an R or were just the carbine sights marked with a C
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Originally Posted by
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rear rifle sights marked with an R or were just the carbine sights marked with a C
Carbine had a "C" and rifle was unmarked that way.
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Carbines did not have lower sling swivels. If the stock has one or are plugged it is a rifle stock. There were rifles made in 1899. Carbine's had 22 inch barrels.
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Although model 1898 and model 1899 Krag receivers are identical in structure, it is not believed that Springfield Armory made rifles using "model 1899" marked receivers.
(A few rifles exist with model 1899 marked receivers, but it is a mystery as to who actually put them together).
There are some legitimate "model 1899" carbines, that were made using "1898" receivers and had the last digit (8) over-struck with a 9.
Some Krag 'cavalry' carbine stocks were ordered to be fitted with sling-swivels in the field, apparently for Engineers or Artillery Men.
(Even if legit, these altered carbines are viewed with suspicion, because there is no way to tell, who did the work).
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