Inland 12-43 looking for info/insight

[browningautorifle]

Could you take closer pictures of each side of the base on the rear leaf sight. I think I see marks, maybe from installing or replacing, but it could just be my old eyes

I see it too Jim, the marks appear to be on one side, and the sight is way over to the left. I suspect someone moved it to zero after service time. There's no stake marks in the dovetail to indicate an adjustable was ever installed.

[carbineone]

Sorry you are correct the ruth book shows Jan to March in that serial range. My eyes are not so good anymore. Thanks for straitening me out on the N mark to. I thought that would have been NPM.. Thats why we discuss so people learn. Thanks

[firstflabn]

Ruth and Duff's serial number tables are unreliable and thus useless in determining manufacture dates. Tear those pages out and use them to wipe up spills. If that raises a concern about damaging the binding, then read the disclaimer on the page before the bogus tables begin - and quoting from the disclaimer when posting "info" from those tables would only be fair to anyone lacking the resources to answer the question for themselves.

[carbineone]

Yes thats why I said take that for what its worth in my post...Thanks

[browningautorifle]

Ruth and Duff's serial number tables are unreliable

I ran into this embarrasment myself when trying to help someone date their carbine. I was publicly roasted while I thought I was working from accurate data. I guess not...

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

War Baby pages 347 & 355 mention Niedner Rifle Corp. sights for Inland marked N. Pages 448 & 454 mention Niedner Rifle Corp. sights for NPM marked NN.
I have noticed some of the build dates in the Ruth/Duff book differ from CC newsletter articles. It does say approximate serial number tables, not exact.
I think the barrel and sight appear original to the receiver.


Niedner Rifle Corp., Dowagiac, Mich. population of 5,843. It's by Paw Paw. Charlie, where the heck do they come up with these names?

I actually passed by there a few years back. We flew into Chicago, rented a car, and drove to Mackinaw City to take the ferry to Mackinac Island. I wanted to drive through the state and see places like Grand Rapids, Saginaw, stuff like that. Lots of history there.

Jim

[ABPOS]

It's a nice carbine with lots of history. You might want to learn how to break it down. It's not that bad. Most anybody could do it, unless you really just aren't mechanically inclined. Which doesn't sound to be the case, since you've done other weapons.

[ckcstewart]

Thanks for all the info...now I see why I was having a tough time getting an accurate handle on this thing...there appears to be some conflicting/inaccurate published data out there. Really though, its kinda understandable considering what was going on at the time. I am swamped today, but i will break it down and get pics. I don't mind at all breaking down firearms...just have been reluctant to fool with this one. Hell, sometimes I take stuff apart just to see IF I can get it back together. I'll try to get pics asap and also answer some of the specific questions that have been posted and emailed. Thanks guys...

[painter777]

Charlie, where the heck do they come up with these names?

Hey Jim,
Names used by the early Indians, French and English from the bridge down state. North of the bridge many names and heritage from the early miners.... Irish, Norwegian, Cornish, Welch (SP?) When copper was found the Europeans were brought over because of their mining experience.

Later,
CH-P777

[USGI]

I see it too Jim, the marks appear to be on one side, and the sight is way over to the left. I suspect someone moved it to zero after service time. There's no stake marks in the dovetail to indicate an adjustable was ever installed.

I noticed those marks too. I've got an S'G' that was supposed to have served in the PTO and it looks just like it - makes me wonder if they were done in the field by the same outfit. Mine looks like it was hit in 2 or 3 places on each side using a hammer and starting punch, or large diam. pin punch. Also, mine is way to the left, but that's where it needs to be in order to shoot straight. At first I was embarrassed about the marks, but now consider them part of the history of the carbine. When we see Chuck's sight closer, I may post my sight pictures if the marks are in fact, nearly identical. -Bob