P14 Sniper on GB

[Badger]

Perhaps I'm confused as to your question....

If so, my apologies ...

As quoted from an old post by Geoff "longbranch*" …

Volley sights from Lee-Enfield are very different than P14. Front pointer on P14 is much longer than Enfield. Rear P14 is different shape, described as "dog leg". The P14 parts will be stamped E,R or W. P14 volley sights are very scarce and expensive, at least when you're looking for them. They were officially removed between the wars so a P14 with out them is technically "correct" although examples that still have theirs are very desirable.

Original volley sight mounted on a Winchester P14 …

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Regards,
Doug

[mannparks]

badger, i guess what i'm trying to figure out is why did some p14 escape having the volly sights removed?--charles

[Promo]

As the British disliked the P14 (not British made ) it did not see that many front use. They preferred to give it to the Home Guard or sell/lend/donate it to other countries where they would have escaped the *-conversion. And I guess they didn't carry home every rifle they were using in the war.

Worth another mentioning: the Pattern 1913 also had the volley sight, but it wasn't intended for testing. So they just put it on the rifle with a short arm (never compared it but I guess it might be the short SMLE volley dialer) and no scale on the dialer plate:


mannparks, would you show us pictures of your P14 snipers?

[Badger]

badger, i guess what i'm trying to figure out is why did some p14 escape having the volly sights removed?--charles

I honestly don't know ...

MKL entry for Pattern 1913 (.276) Trials Rifle (Mfg by R.S.A.F. Enfield)

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Regards,
Doug

[breakeyp]

If you want pictures of my stuff---see Skennerton's Lee Books. Once upon a time British was cheap and I felt they would be a good investment.

[mannparks]

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mannparks, would you show us pictures of your P14 snipers?

promo,when i get a sniper i sure will post a pic. but unless some thing changes with my income, that may be awile.-----charles


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[Promo]

Sorry, my fault. Mixed up the names as with the quotes. I ment breakeyp. But nice looking P14, I love it.

[Patrick Chadwick]

so am i to asume that p14 with the volly sights still intact never made it to weedon,

Seems like a reasonable assumption.

and if so why?--

According to Stratton, the WRS procedure started in 1939. So quite simply, Weedon never got round to treating all P14s, thanks to the serious interruption from 1939-45, which a) probably made it logistically impossible (or at least impractical) to recall all P14s in existence, even if considered necessary, and b) after some time the WRS procedure may have lost priority as P14s were relegated to "backup" status and it was judged that enough had been through WRS to fulfill all future needs.


Patrick

[JGaynor]

I was curious as I couldn't remember about mine so I went and dug out my seven Pattern 1914 Ts and all had volley sights removed, WWI PPco, pre WWII Irish BSA scope contract and WWII Alex Martin offsets.

Seven!! i used to have two of the BSA M1918 scopes, one matched to the rifle and another with a matching carrying case but mismatched to the rifler. i thought i was doing good

Regards,
Jim