Mk V Sten Gun

[bigduke6]

Morning Geoff, the whole thing is a complete mess isn't it, as I understand this sorry situation as it stands now, all previous deactivation specs are superseded by the new "EU" spec and new EU certificate. Old spec examples are grandfatherd and can no longer be sold or transferred, thus side stepped any compensation payments!

Apparently non of the above is ready yet and the EU is still debating changes and amendments .. But the Home Office is insisting on full implementation of the act as it stands as of the 8th of this month.

The predictable result is chaos and damage (probably the intention) to perfectly legal business's. All completely pointless and irrelevant, with no basis in fact regarding defending us from terrorist's ... What idiot thought this rubbish up! Very much looking forward to leaving the EU, we can only hope. Not that this will change anything, our government never repeals any changes to the firearms act, this will be no different I am sure.

John, I did see the New Home office Firearms Guide line, but was very vague and had a link to a EU page....... would of thought the home office would of produced something better, or the local forces giving a rundown to there RFD's.
Lets not get political on this thread, but at least leaving the EU we won't have to put up with anymore overnight changes.

[mrclark303]

I can't help but think the real motive here is to effectively stop business's from trading and thin out the heard, most dealers will have caveats preventing them from selling their stock of sec5 firearms on for "live" use ... so for now (and for god knows how long) they can't submit them to the Proof House and sell them either.

The end result is a number of these perfectly legitimate and law abiding business's are bound to fold under the sheer strain on their finances. I really hope it gets sorted sooner rather than later I really do.

This situation will unfortunately claim some scalps...

but at least leaving the EU we won't have to put with anymore overnight changes.

We can but hope Geoff!

[Peter Laidler]

Just had a chat with my sister about this and explained the very basics of it to her. She knows a tiny weeny bit about law and how it works. The only law that counts is the WRITTEN or STATUTE law (unless it's common law which doesn't apply here). No laws are based on the say-so of someone in an office somewhere or from the head of a private company based in, say Birmingham or London or elsewhere or even a high ranking secretary in a government department. The notion of anyone being convicted of anything until there is a statute enactment or new legislation is incorporated elsewhere is based on false logic. Any attempt to prosecute or sue would be bound to fail. And in any case, the UK doesn't do retrospective (or backward facing) legislation either.

[mrclark303]

Just had a chat with my sister about this and explained the very basics of it to her. She knows a tiny weeny bit about law and how it works. The only law that counts is the WRITTEN or STATUTE law (unless it's common law which doesn't apply here). No laws are based on the say-so of someone in an office somewhere or from the head of a private company based in, say Birmingham or London or elsewhere or even a high ranking secretary in a government department. The notion of anyone being convicted of anything until there is a statute enactment or new legislation is incorporated elsewhere is based on false logic. Any attempt to prosecute or sue would be bound to fail. And in any case, the UK doesn't do retrospective (or backward facing) legislation either.

Well put Peter, but who will be brave enough to shout "up yours" to the Home Office and carry on trading ... and really test the point! I am no lawyer, but isn't the EU the law that matters these days, as our parliament has subjugated itself to the EU Poliburo ??

Even if the Home Office say yes, if the Birmingham and London cartel refuse to comply until they are satisfied with current situation, guess what, still stuffed..

It really makes my blood boil!

[Peter Laidler]

Er........ It's the local Police who prosecute based on current enforceable laws. No law = no problem.

[mrclark303]

Point taken Peter, but if you have a serous £££ load of sec5 firearms paid for, in secure storage and waiting to be deactivated and the Proof Cartel won't certificate them, you have a serous cash flow problem!

I believe one of the reasons they left magazines and top covers loose before is for the very good reason that the Proof Houses can physically check the bolt carrier has been correctly deactivated and welded home in the receiver.

This is the current PH issue as relayed to me, (anyone know if this is correct), new EU regs mean top covers and magazines have to be fixed in position, now that being the case, the PH can't determine the deactivation state of the bolt carrier/breech block because they simply can't see it, as a result can't/won't certificate firearms that fall into that category .. Catch22!

Like I said, lets hope this nonsense gets sorted out sooner, rather than later.

[bigduke6]

Point taken Peter, but if you have a serous £££ load of sec5 firearms paid for, in secure storage and waiting to be deactivated and the Proof Cartel won't certificate them, you have a serous cash flow problem!

I believe one of the reasons they left magazines and top covers loose before is for the very good reason that the Proof Houses can physically check the bolt carrier has been correctly deactivated and welded home in the receiver.

This is the current PH issue as relayed to me, (anyone know if this is correct), new EU regs mean top covers and magazines have to be fixed in position, now that being the case, the PH can't determine the deactivation state of the bolt carrier/breech block because they simply can't see it, as a result can't/won't certificate firearms that fall into that category .. Catch22!

Like I said, lets hope this nonsense gets sorted out sooner, rather than later.

That had never crossed my mind..... regarding the physical part of looking in to see whats what etc.

[peregrinvs]

Hi,

My lovely wife said I could have one of these as an early birthday present, so inspired by Bigduke6's pictures I have placed an order with D&B. Tidying it up should keep me amused for the next few months. I don't have access to phosphate tanks, suncorite, etc. so I shall be looking for simpler cosmetically accurate alternatives.

Cheers,
Mark

[bigduke6]

Mark,

I hope to get mine done sooner than later, ( next few weeks) if you like the finished results then would be more than happy to help out, only cost is the blast media, paint and postage.

[peregrinvs]

Hi Geoff,

That would be brilliant thank you. I can do the woodwork myself, but the metalwork is more problematic with my resources. I'll be in touch shortly.

Regards,
Mark