Cadmus Folder

[Sleeplessnashadow]

Not much info on Owens. Do know they had difficulty getting people to buy them due to their weight and the design of the slide well. Owen Stock Company incorporated by David Owen in Independence, MO 25 Feb 1999. Larry Ruth has a bit more info on them. Also aware one of the family still had a bunch and popped up on Ebay a couple years ago selling off the leftovers. He's still there: http://www.ebay.com/itm/30-M1-Carbin...item43d9076b0c

I can only guess at why they designed it like they did. Maybe to accommodate the Universal and late Iver Johnson Carbines. Maybe to avoid a run in with Choate or someone else over a patent issue. I'll have to ask him. Thanks for the reminder.

Jim

Shotgun News April 1, 2004
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[Jeg900]

Jeg, if you mean the screw that goes through the recoil plate into the stock then no. The screw the Cadmus stock takes screws into the wood itself so you will need a wood screw. GI carbines screw into a metal escutcheon.

Thanks for the reply. Yes the recoil plate screw. So it's just a matter of finding something that works? Probably gonna be a challenge to find something with a head like the one that goes into the recoil plate.

[cali201]

I wood (pun intended) imagine you can take a wood screw that is the correct length and dremel the head slowly to fit the recoil pad, then cold blue it.

[Bruce McAskill]

Jim, Are you saying there is more then the one company in Italy making reproduction M1A1 stocks?

[cali201]

I have no idea about who or how many companies make the M1A1 stocks but I would guess only one, not that much demand IMO.

[Sleeplessnashadow]

Bruce

The past year I have been doing a research project on M1A1 stocks. GI, and the current commercial offerings. That the M1A1 stocks are made in Italy has been the prevailing view but I can find no evidence to support this. S.I.L.E. in Brescia, Italy made them back in the 70's and 80's I believe. Along with a variation for the Erma Werke Model EM1 .22. But S.I.L.E. Italy appears to have ceased to exist. Corporate docs show SILE USA ceased to exist in CT in the mid 80's, then was gone from NYC by the late 90's.

Pietta in Italy offered an M1A1 stock for sale in a prior catalog, but I was unable to determine if they made it or it was made by someone else in Italy. It's no longer listed in their catalog. It has several unique characteristics more like the M1A1 replica carbine being sold under the Denix name (Spain).

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Besides the Denix M1A1 stock, which is specific to their replica and will not fit an actual carbine, there are 3 different M1A1 stocks being sold by a multitude of retailers. Two may have been made by the same company with one being an earlier version and the other being the latest version. I'm guessing on this and think there may have been a number of changes by this manufacturer over time. Mostly involving the rivets and cheek piece.

Maybe what I'll do is a separate post for each of the 3 and add a 4th for the Denix replica. Time is always my biggest challenge and why I'm not on the forums very much. I have to stay focused with all I'm doing.

Jim

[Sleeplessnashadow]

Made in Taiwan. Wood is stained with walnut stain but a lighter wood than walnut. Cheek piece is not leather. "Tubes" are solid. Buttplate spring overlaps side of irregular sized buttplate. Fit requires modification.

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[Sleeplessnashadow]

Nice walnut, appears to be real leather, rivets are unique and distinctive. Requires hand fitting.

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For whatever reason, the barrel band area (right) was not milled like every other M1A1 stock (left) and detracts from it's authentic appearance
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Odd color is accurate depiction.
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[Sleeplessnashadow]

This one is similar to a previous one used by Auto-Ordnance. Don't know if it was the same manufacturer making the AO stock or a different manufacturer. Rivets on the AO stocks have changed over time and this one may be a previous version, may not. Requires hand fitting. Correction on Sportsman's Guide, their stock appears to be the one sold by Numrich but haven't acquired one to make sure.

Note: Numrich decided to weld the stock to a fixed position for sales to California. M1A1 stocks are not illegal in California. Unless a carbine is placed within them creating a carbine with a folding stock. The carbine with the folding stock is illegal. For the purposes of what I do I have no interest in a carbine with a folding stock. I document the stock itself. The damage to the recoil plate in the pic below was my lameness in removing the weld.

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[Sleeplessnashadow]

This stock is obviously specific to this replica. The "Tubes" are solid and one piece instead of two. The buttplate spring isn't a spring, it's cast as part of the metal frame.

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