S&B on the L42A1

[Peter Laidler]

Looking again, it looks like a Marine 2/Lt to me. The sound moderator looks like one of the LIST (yes, that's the man again.....) types that were trialled occasionally when required against a GSR. They had really tough steel wrapped casings to absorb the pressures and also had a little (adjustable?) high pressure gas vent at the rear - that you can see just to the front of the tent pole at the rear of the moderator.

[DanL96a1]

I was looking at some older threads and noticed what I think is an original 1975 L42A1, with an “SAS mount”. This shows it in green with, the classic No.32 pattern thumbscrews, and uses the old tapered cradle screws.

XL39E1 could this be an original SAS mount? Interesting to see the SAS mount not with cap head cradle screws. Also this eye relief is a lot closer to what I have found, to be workable in prone position and in relation to the No.32’s eye relief.


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[Surpmil]

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Both styles of bracket, Top is "SAS" bottom is "Marine"
Slightly different shapes plus "SAS" type uses cap head craddle screws and the "Marine" type uses the old tappered craddle screws.
Using Allen bolts seems a bad idea! In an emergency, how you gonna get the scope off if you loose that 3/16ths allen key!

Don't know, but allen bolts is what mine came with. Probably the other bloke's SMG/AR15 & grenades were for emergencies.

So were these "ENVOYS" built on No4(T) actions or actual ENVOYS fitted with pads? In the photo the so-called ENVOY has a flat on the bolt knob and weren't all the ENVOYs built on newish No4 Mk2s with full round bolt knobs?

I'm guessing it's a set of ENVOY wood fitted to a No4(T) action with an RSAF(E) hammer forged barrel.

[Peter Laidler]

I don't have one of these mounts but are the ORIGINAL ones threaded to retain the thumbscrews (which have shouldered threads to achieve the same) as per the No4T brackets? If not, then to be honest, allen screws would be a total waste of time. They'd be lost at the very first opportunity!

[RWSENG]

I can confirm that both our reproductions and my original example (and the other 4 originals I have inspected) have the body of the mount threaded in the same way as the original No32 telescope brackets

[Peter Laidler]

That's the answer I needed. In that case, the person who inserted allen bolts in place of thumb screws must have known what he was doing because the allen bolts will have part of the threaded shank machined down so as to enable them to be tightened without fouling the threaded bracket.

We still haven't come up with documented RM use of the brackets

[XL39E1]

Or documented proof of SAS use come to that!

[Peter Laidler]

I was keeping that back Colin......... Will speak re that.........

[DanL96a1]

RWSENG can you take some pictures of the original SAS mounts or RM Mounts that you can post? I have not been able to locate any "documented" evidence, of the mounts being used by the RM/SAS. I suspect that the trusted reliability, accuracy and battle worthiness of the L42 in certain circles, allowed this development on to the next stage, prior to the L96's full and final deployment.

[mossin]

they have one in the pattern room with a Lyman scope fitted.
Also the RM with the ArtII is Tim Courtney I am told.
Paul