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That bring us to the very timely topic of relative truth (and relative morality) and absolute truth. I say 'timely' because our global societies are awash with the debate as we speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob seijas
We can leave that discussion for another, more appropriate venue.
2 sobering books you may wish to read both by Lord Liverpool "The Scourge Of The Swastika" also "The Scourge Of Bushido" the second book will really affect you I have read both (Have copies) and can categorically state the Bushido one had me aghast it was about as inhumane as you can get it is so awful you cannot get angry just sad, it makes the Dr. Mengle experiments look positively benign.
One more book is Defy the Darkness a tale of courage in the shadow of Mengle By Rosenblum & Kohn a modern book but pretty damn awful, inspirational for its courage portrayed.
Buchenwald camp held a true horror of a woman called Ilse Koch (Commandants wife from memory) who loved tattoos she would roam the compounds looking for well tattooed victims pick them out they were then taken away killed by lethal injection, skinned and the tanned product made into lamp shades for her. She also had the fat rendered down and made into soap so she could be clean always accompanied by her two Rottweilers she laughed gaily as they tore prisoners to pieces on various occasions, thankfully justice prevailed and she had her neck stretched after her trial post WWII.
I was close BAR pity she did not get the gallows
Not quite ... she should have though... Ilse Koch - WikipediaQuote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
Within the last couple of years or so I happened, by chance, to have a conversation with a middle aged white British male who insisted to me that the United Kingdom would have been a perfectly pleasant and agreeable place to live had the Germans mounted a successful invasion in 1940. His main argument for this assertion seemed to be that the German people were a civilised race and he kept pointing this out to me during our conversation. I pointed out that had the Germans been successful they would have deported almost the entire male population of the U.K., of fighting age, to continental Europe; he was totally ignorant of this fact. I then went onto say that it wouldn't have been very pleasant for members of the Jewish Community living in the U.K.. Although he didn't come back with an answer to this point, the impression I got was that he wouldn't have been too concerned about what may have happened to Jews living in the U.K. had the Germans invaded. I had to bite my tongue a fair amount with this chap because I didn't wish to get into an argument with him.
I have been thinking about this thread all day particularly that video of the children singing about taking over the world. Wow! I could not imagine teaching anyone, specifically my children that destroying a society, religion, group, or race is ok. Civil folks do just that.... act civil and understand there are differences between everyone. If acting civil, one would turn away if he/she doesn't like what they see or hear.... not kill them. As was alluded to earlier: same problem is occurring today as it did back then and even centuries/mellinia for that fact. Now its just more easy to see what is happening around the world because of media. My father always says.... know your past and you will predict your future. He is a paleontologist. -andy
From my reading on the subject Germany was a very different place in the 1930's and was a place that could happen to any society given similar circumstances. It is easy to use our modern perspective to look back and judge, however when a person is truly at the end of their rope, the measures they will take for survival are immense, when an entire country or culture feels at risk of extinction, the effect is magnified by the size of the group. Any one offering hope in one of those times will be seen as a savior and followed with increasing zeal as their situation improves by their hand. I don't look at this as an excuse or anything like that, but as a real life example of the actions humanity will take in certain circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by speckles
The world in regions is still a very violent, horrifying place, and while the National Socialists made human suffering into an efficient mass scale system, the concept and practices have not been abolished outside of the safe areas we call the developed world.
The concept of universal peace and human right is not universally accepted yet, unfortunately.
I remember going to market and carrying items for my mother. She bought eggs from a man who had crude tattoo's on his arm. When I asked what they were and she explained I couldn't believe it. Not long after, I guess after I was deemed old enough to be educated in the ways of the world, I was shown photographs that were taken by my deceased uncle of a death camp, many photographs, some however I was not able to see. I wonder now if it was just my mind blocking out the images for what I was viewing. Those pictures are still there 40 some years later. Only a fool would believe the atrocities were never committed, and they still are.
I have heard it suggested that Hitler himself may have been partly Jewish and that his biological father may not have been the person who he said was his father. The person who told me this explained that the reason Hitler hated the Jews so much was due to the way his mother was said to have been treated by his real father and family. I do not know if there is any truth in this matter but this was suggested to me as an explanation as to why Hitler hated the Jews so much.