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03-31-2009, 09:18 PM
45B40-95B40

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FIVE (5) QUESTIONS: M1 Rifle / M1 Rifle Items / M14 Rifle Items

Thanks to the owners of the Military Surplus Collectors Forums for giving CULVER’S SHOOTING PAGE a new home. The “old” CSP was great, and it looks like the “new” CSP is equally great. I made quite a few posts on the old U. S. RIFLE CAL .30 M1903/1903A3/A4 Forum and a few posts on the old 1917 ENFIELD Forum, and I was extremely impressed with the friendliness, the knowledge, and the helpfulness of the people who posted there.

This is my very first post on the new CSP Forums and my very first post on the M1 GARAND & M14/M1A Forum. I have a few questions for the “experts” about five (5) M1 RIFLE items and two (2) M14 RIFLE items, all of which I purchased/collected more than twenty-five (25) years ago. I also have a general question about my one (1) RIFLE U. S. C/30 M1 NM SER. NO. 5796843 which I purchased in September of 1971 through the Director Of Civilian Marksmanship.

ITEM #1 = TWO (2) M1 RIFLE BUTTPLATES
I purchased both of these black Parkerized stamped steel buttplates back in 1981, and because neither of them has any visible marking(s) at all anywhere on it, I believe that both of them were manufactured by an unknown United States Government Subcontractor sometime after World War II.

QUESTION #: What, if anything, can anyone tell me about these two (2) M1 RIFLE buttplates?

ITEM #2A = ONE (1) M1 RIFLE COMBINATION TOOL (WRAPPED)
I purchased this combination tool back in 1974, and because it is still in its original “kraft” paper package, all I know about it is that it has the “slotted” type chamber cleaning attachment. The printing on the package reads:
1 TOOL COMBINATION EA.
5120-731-0061
430-ORD-STG/575-56
P & P/B (IC-I) 6/57

ITEM #2B = ONE (1) M1 RIFLE COMBINATION TOOL (UNWRAPPED)
I believe this combination tool, which is still covered with some of its original preservative grease, was once wrapped in a “kraft” paper package identical to the one of ITEM #2A (above), and it appears to be marked with a forged “118” near the tail of its rivet.

QUESTION #2 : What, if anything, can anyone tell me about these two (2) M1 RIFLE combination tools?

ITEM #3 = ONE (1) M1 RIFLE COMBINATION TOOL
I purchased this combination tool sometime back in the mid 1970’s, and it was wrapped in heavy green waxed paper. This combination tool is still covered with all of its original preservative grease, it has the “brush” type chamber cleaning attachment, and because it does not have any visible marking(s) at all anywhere on it, I believe that it was manufactured by an unknown United States Government Subcontractor sometime after World War II.

QUESTION #3 : What, if anything, can anyone tell me about this one (1) M1 RIFLE combination tool?

ITEM #4 = TWO (2) M14 RIFLE COMBINATION TOOLS
I collected these two (2) combination tools back in 1972, and I originally sold one hundred fifty (150) of them in their original packaging for $300.00 (three hundred dollars) back in 1973. One (1) of these combination tools is still wrapped in its “VCI” paper inside of its cardboard box, and its cardboard box is still sealed inside of its polyethylene plastic package. The printing on the box reads:
4933-768-0211
TOOL 1 EACH
DA-30-069-AMC-01903 (W)
3/68
The other of these combination tools has been removed from its packaging, and because it does not have any visible marking(s) at all anywhere on it, I believe that both of these combination tools were manufactured by an unknown United States Government Subcontractor in March of 1968.

QUESTION #4 : What, if anything, can anyone tell me about these two (2) M14 RIFLE combination tools?

ITEM #5 = ONE (1) RIFLE U. S. C/30 M1 NM SER. NO. 5796843
I am the original – and the only – non-government owner of this rifle. I have opened, closed, and “dry” fired this rifle’s action less than ten (10) times, but I have never chambered any ammunition of any kind in this rifle, I have never inserted a clip in this rifle, and I have never fired this rifle. I have opened the cover of the buttplate of this rifle less than five (5) times, but I have never moved the rear sight of this rifle, I have never “field stripped” nor disassembled this rifle, I have never cleaned this rifle, and I have never altered this rifle in any way at all. I purchased this Springfield Armory National Match M1 Rifle in September of 1971 through the Director Of Civilian Marksmanship while I was serving in the United States Army as an active duty Military Policeman – M. O. S. 95B40. I served for thirty (30) months in the Federal Republic Of Germany (then known as West Germany) with the 100th Military Police Detachment.

QUESTION #5 : Would it be of any value to anyone here for me to post a link to one hundred (100) high quality digital photographs of this M1 RIFLE along with its original accessories, its original packaging, and its original paperwork on this M1 GARAND & M14/M1A Forum?

THANKS!!!!!
RALPH VAN BUREN
(45B40-95B40)
04-01-2009, 05:42 PM
Dale in Louisiana

Uhhhh... the rifle is clearly bogus.

Me being a nice guy and all, though, I hate to see somebody lose money, so if you'll send me a shipping address, I'll send you a box and you can sent the rifle to me... I can give you a hundred bucks for your pain and suffering.

dale
(it IS April 1)
04-01-2009, 08:25 PM
shooterm1

is this a quiz?
04-02-2009, 01:52 AM
45B40-95B40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale in Louisiana

Uhhhh... the rifle is clearly bogus.

Me being a nice guy and all, though, I hate to see somebody lose money, so if you'll send me a shipping address, I'll send you a box and you can sent the rifle to me... I can give you a hundred bucks for your pain and suffering.

dale
(it IS April 1)

Dale,

Thanks for commenting on my post. Concerning your offer, you’re the 6,843rd person who’s offered me $100.00 for my NM M1 Rifle, and 843 of those people have offered to pick the rifle up at my house instead of having me ship the rifle to them. Unfortunately, I only have one (1) NM M1 rifle, so . . .

Ralph Van Buren
45B40-95B40
04-02-2009, 02:00 AM
45B40-95B40

Quote:

Originally Posted by shooterm1

is this a quiz?

shooterm1,

Thanks for commenting on my post. During my thirty-one (31) years as a 7th Grade Shop teacher, I never gave any “final” exams, and I never gave more than a few written tests/quizzes each school year. But I always knew the correct answer for each and every question on each and every quiz/test I did give during my career as a 7th Grade Shop teacher. I don’t know the “correct answer” to any of the five (5) questions I asked in my post, so I don’t consider those questions to be a quiz/test, but anyone else can consider those questions to be a quiz/test.

Unfortunately, I know almost nothing about the five (5) M1 RIFLE items and two (2) M14 RIFLE items I asked for information about in my post to this Forum because I could find virtually no information about any of those items in my reference materials related to the M1 RIFLE and the M14 RIFLE. My reference materials related to the M1 RIFLE and the M14 RIFLE are limited to the following publications:

[1] Thirty-one (31) mimeographed Study Guides from my 1970 Small Arms Repair Course (M. O. S. 45B20/45B40) at Aberdeen Proving Ground (Aberdeen, Maryland). Study Guide 6 is for “ RIFLES, 7.62MM, M14 AND M14A1” and is dated March 1968. (There is no Study Guide for the M1 RIFLE.)

[2] 1967 NATIONAL MATCH RIFLES
U. S. CAL. 7.62MM M14 AND CAL. .30 M1
Published by the U. S. ARMY MATERIEL COMMAND
1967

[3] TM 9-1005-222-35
RIFLE, CALIBER .30, M1, M1C (SNIPER’S) AND M1D (SNIPER’S)
Published by the HEADQUARTERS, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
FEBRUARY 1966

[4] TM 9-1005-222-12P/1
CALIBER .30 US RIFLE M1 (NATIONAL MATCH)
Published by the HEADQUARTERS, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
JULY 1961

[5] The M1 Garand: POST WORLD WAR II
By Scott A. Duff
© 1989 By Scott A. Duff
Twelfth Printing (October 2005)

Ralph Van Buren
45B40-95B40
04-02-2009, 03:02 AM
Dan Wilson

Well I don't know how much info there is to give on the M-14 combo tool but I have had one for years (it beats the M-10 tool hands down for disassembling and reassembling the M1 bolt) and I just bought a case of 40 for 40 bucks.

You have the date right but the rest I am not sure about
My FSC number is the same as yours
4933-768-0211
COMBINATION TOOL
1 EA A-5/67
M00150-67-C-0697

Only thing I can say is the bottom line would be the only place to get a contractors name or mark from but I cant decifer it.

Dan
04-02-2009, 04:49 AM
polska

1. Two reblued buttplates
2.Tools for cleaning M1 and M14. Don't look at them, use them.
3.Nice M1 going to waste.Take it apart clean and oil it and shoot the damn thing.What are you saving it for? oyamma to confiscate it and chop it up?
Reminds me of the guy who finally gets a date with the prom queen and gives her a peck on the cheek then spends the rest of his life why he didn't defile her when he finds out she gave out to everybody.
04-02-2009, 05:14 AM
U.S.G.I.

QUESTION #5 : Would it be of any value to anyone here for me to post a link to one hundred (100) high quality digital photographs of this M1 RIFLE along with its original accessories, its original packaging, and its original paperwork on this M1 GARAND & M14/M1A Forum?

Ralph

I would like to see more pictures and a data sheet on the 5.7 mil SA.
04-02-2009, 11:50 AM
Ramboueille

Quote:

Originally Posted by polska

1. Two reblued buttplates
2.Tools for cleaning M1 and M14. Don't look at them, use them.
3.Nice M1 going to waste.Take it apart clean and oil it and shoot the damn thing.What are you saving it for? oyamma to confiscate it and chop it up?
Reminds me of the guy who finally gets a date with the prom queen and gives her a peck on the cheek then spends the rest of his life why he didn't defile her when he finds out she gave out to everybody.

The butt plates aren't reblued, they are simply new replacements. The rifle is an ordinary NM2 and value of NM rifles has everything to do with condition. He should find something else to shoot and put the NM away. They bring top dollar to a collector left in new condition with the box, paperwork and accessories.
04-02-2009, 01:31 PM
0311Shooter

How many times must we go down this road? This issue follows us every where we go.

If I was to buy that "collectable" NM Garand, I would want to know first if IT WILL FIRE AT ALL. If it won't, then DUH I want to get it fixed by the seller. How does he not know if it is filled with parts from China??!!?!?!

If I wanted to be strictly a "collector", I would invest in locks of hair from Elvis.

To simplify, I would be either shooting it BEFORE I buy it, or AFTER I buy it.

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