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7.62 Springfield Garand - NM?
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Geez it can be a rough crowd in here. :madsmile: Nice shooty thing, though.
Bob
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It sure looks like it was done for NM, there's a few here that will know for sure...
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Verify
It's nice enough to have been a SecNav Trophy Rifle -- let's ask Jim Adell to check his serial list.
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Would a SecNav Trophy Rifle have a metal 308 cartridge spacer or did they only use the white plastic spacers?
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Remember the white ones sometimes broke. Some people have no faith in them so it could have been changed.
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I think in Service rifles used the white, plastic spacers. This is a very well done match rifle, but not likely SecNavy rifle.
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White plastic was first and standard I think. The metal was an afterthought much later...
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I sent all the info to Jim Adell in a seperate e-mail after reading a GCA member's suggestion to another post. This rifle came from an estate in South Dakota that a local gunsmith in Oklahoma bought in total. Saw it at the shop when I was picking up a H&R M12 I had shipped there. No papers & he thought it was a std garand someone had added NM parts to but with the correct barrel and build details as described by Joe Poyer's "The M1 Garand 1936-1957" I could not leave it in his shop, it had to come home with me. Would be great if Jim could verfy it is a Navy NM.
Thanks for all the comments so far. Looking forward to see what other info may surface.
By the way the receiver is a Springfield sn 4,374,XXX
Leggett
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Navy?
Steve Rutledge is also a student of the Navy guns, I asked him if it might be a match gun or trophy rifle:
"It doesn't look like one to me. Has hooded sights which would only be on A grade unless they added them. Stock doesn't have the typical finish that I'm used to seeing. Unfortunately, we can't see if there is an "A" or "B" stamped on the flat of the pistol grip which I think is always there. Most of the ones I have seen have fairly ugly birch stocks."
Let's see what Jim Adell says.
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Jim Adell email
"I can check the lists when I get home.
It has the wrong spacer. I am sure that you noticed all the white plastic spacers that we saw. [on a June research trip to CMP to examine 1800 Navy 7.62 conversions, article in the next GCA Journal]
When the Navy had them, shooters that won Grade B rifles would bring them to the van to have a set of half minute sights installed."
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Attachment 35635With the short looking grip the stock looks like its a Boyds. Nice rifle bet it shoots great. Mine has the same barrel on a SA. 5.42 reciever
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Originally Posted by
Phil McGrath
stock looks like its a Boyds
That was kind of my though. Not just good but brand new. Not that it's a bad thing.
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If I sum this up from the replies....
Barrel is correct Navy
Sights probably added
Spacer bloc not original
Stock Probably Boyd's (owner probably did not like ugly birch)
Ought to be a great shooter - Guess we will find out soon as the heat wave & fires in OK dies down - will post a range photo soon
Thanks for all the replies and next time I put photos in I will manicure my toes before I post them.
Leggett
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Nail polish would be a nice touch too.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Don't forget the toe ring.
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Has this thread wandered???
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There are a lot of "Navy" barrels floating around right now. I know of two dealers that have them for sale. I have purchased one from each and they are legit barrels but I am not sure where they came from. The first one I bought came "new" in the cardboard tube, with caps and VCI tube installed. This dealer told me that they came from San Diego and that he had a "box" of them. My guess is they did not meet the stringent requirements for the Navy team and were sent to Camp Elliot to be used in training rifles. Who knows where they have been since then. The second dealer had about 10 or so an I was able to look through them all. At first I thought they were take-offs and most were in poor condition. Most of the chambers had a significant amount of rust and all of them had at least some rust on the surface of the barrel. I took a chance on the best one he had, only some minor surface rust on exterior. This one also had the end caps and VCI tube installed. I have gauged this one and it has a groove diameter of .3075 wich would have met the Navy requirements for a team gun. I have no idea where these have been or where they came from. It is a shame that they were in such poor condition.
I have also seen a fake Navy barrel recently. I believe it may have been a commercial barrel that was stamped to look like a navy barrel. However, it was pretty obvious that it was fake.
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From what I can gleen, the Navy NM & presentation match rifles with true 7.62 sleeved or unsleeved barrels are a special breed of Garand. With as much as has been written on the Garand I am surprised not much info is available on the navy post WW2 conversions. Even here as I read these responses and others on the net there tends to be a lot of speculation on rifle builds.
Is there a list of rifle SN's that the Navy converted to presentation match & NM team rifles? If that were posted somewhere it would clear the air in what is real & what is fake. I keep searching and find spatterings if information on different web pages but scarce little that was published. Is any expert on these rifies looking to compile and publish anything?
I'll close with a thank you note to the forum members, I really appreciate this forum & all who post here. Love reading literally through US history on everyones vast knowledge of our military weapons heritage.
Leggett
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Navies
The complete story on the Navy conversions is being laid out for the GCA Journal now -- 7 pages with 24 photos. It nails down the Mk1 rifles.
