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Years ago, someone had found these photos and sent them to me, as I am not really a carbine collector but more of a cartridge collector, I saved these photos.
These photos are of a cardboard box manufactured for military 30 M1 carbine cartridges. the box holds thirty cartridges from the appearance of the photos.
Anyone have additional information on this early box ?Attachment 89384Attachment 89385
Interesting! I don't remember seeing anything like this - need to check out War Baby to see if I may have overlooked it, though. Apparently made early by Remington. I wonder if there are (3) rows of 15 cartridges? I see a "45" on the label, but can't make out much else - wonder if it was repackaged by one of our allies sometime during the war - possibly the French? - Bob
Bob may be right. For some reason it looks French to me. Maybe a re-pack in a handy 30 round size to charge two 15s. Doesn't look like USGI packaging. Europeans did not do as much of the 50 round box stuff we did.
Can you post a clear close-up of just the label? One line does appear to be in French, but I can't be sure.
These are the only two photos that were sent to me.
RCS
I think the line you're referring to that looks like "jet de me" is actually a portion of the phrase "disposal of empty cartridge cases MUST BE MADE as prescribed by A.R." This statement is seen on US ammo boxes of the era and in that location.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyc
Just blurriness and wear makes it look all Frenchy.
So are you saying that label would have been on commercial US ammo boxes of the era or military? I haven't seen that before on the carbine ammo boxes that I have. Would A.R. mean Army Regulations? Thanks! - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by rcathey
Military ammo boxes. See here for an example:Quote:
Originally Posted by USGI
https://www.ammogarand.com/3006-m2-20rd-boxs-utah-ordnanc30062203942.html
I assume that A.R. does mean army regulations.
Anyway, you do make a great point - I don’t think I’ve ever seen a carbine ammo box with this label format either. I would definitely say that is this US military format though.
I had a box of 30-06 Tracers that looked similar, come to think of it. Thanks for that information. So much for the French "connection!" :thup: - Bob
Check pg 1429, WB III.
JackP, for those of us that do not have the War Baby Book, could you explain the details ?
Thanks RCS
I've been watching this thread and waiting for someone to mention WBIII. The information in my four Ruth books has been very informative over the years.
This Information is attributed to Carbine member Ronald Dalhamer. There is also a picture.
A box of 45 cartridges in three sleeves and has a green primer sealant. That example was headstamped RA43
Stated rare.
So what’s the story behind them? Was there a purpose for this style packaging? Why didn’t it take off?
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a lend-lease thing. As someone alluded to above, boxes that fit some multiple of magazine loads are more common across the pond.
Apparently this was a "short lived" packaging method devised in 1942 that may have been intended to provide ammo in quantities that were convenient for loading into 15 round magazines. There would be 60 of these 45 round cartons packed in a wooden crate (2700 rounds weighing over 90 pounds). It was not adopted for overseas shipping and only used stateside for a very limited time.
Well there’s that. Very interesting. Thanks for the info!