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Mout has these stampings on it:
FSN 1240-647-1107
Mount Telescope
Griffin & Howe
this one is stamped U.S. So if someone was doing a build it would finish it up. USMC 1952 vintage mounts for use with the Kollmorgen 4XD scopes (MC-1952).I have asked several people about what it was worth.$1500.00 - $1900.00 this is what has come up several times. Has 26mm rings or 1inchhttps://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/deleted.gif
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Is there a question?
Does that sound right. I Am wanting to sell it
If it's real, yes, but you can't tell anything from those photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jrb572
what other photos are needed picture of fsn or rings whats needed
Close ups, close ups, close ups. Especially the bracket. Is it numbered? Take close up photos of the top, side, and both ends of the bracket.Quote:
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Same question and adsvice for the scope mount.
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sorry i dont own the best of cameras
Then you won't get the best of prices. I wouldn't buy it from those photos, maybe someone else will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jrb572
Ok what needs to be better in the photos? I'll do my best to borrow another camera
Closeups in focus, markings, markings on the rings. Are they marked T4 on the ends? Closeups of the bracket (base) on all 4 sides. Those items have been copied commercially, some are good and some are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jrb572
Your attempting to sell pieces that are expensive and heavily reproduced. There are certain nuances about the two pieces that those reproducing have never been able or willing to duplicate. The higher the quality the photo better the chance to determine authenticity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jrb572
When you say base are you talking about the pice that mounts to the rifle or the part the rings mount to?
Also should I remove rings for a better picture on that?
Base (bracket): Mounts on receiver with screws and pinsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jrb572
Mount: Holds the telescope.
The "mount" attaches to the "base" via dovetail and locks on via thumb lever rotation.
Good Day,
The developmental history and use (both historical and current) of various firearms (in this case Garands) have always been my focus on these boards. Over the years, many individuals that were genuinely interested in like studies offered up their information and thoughts freely. This lead to (at times) heated discussions which were interesting to say the least. However, these "discussions" helped in our understanding of these pieces and how they impacted history. Recently, I'm seeing more and more chime in with " tell me what its worth" and that's all. Nothing beyond a monetary concern, no interest in understanding the nuances of a piece, no care as to the historical perspective. This contributes little but to drive out the new collectors when they see some of the prices tossed out whilly nilly. I do not want to dissuade new aficionados from asking questions- if fact I encourage it and I look forward (when possible) to answering them.
Maybe we need another area where individuals can post arbitrary "this is what I have, I don't know what its worth, send me an offer" items. This might cut down on the number of speculative questions poised.
I'm torn on people asking "what's it worth" on the forums.:banghead: My first instinct is to say "What do you want to sell it for??" Price is completely subjective unless someone is going to say "You have item X and I'll give you Y for it right now" An item is worth what someone is ACTIVELY willing to pay for it. To those that don't like that idea- stop taking up bandwidth, take the offer or put it on ePAY. I'm hoping that this new website will lead to more intellectual and informative discussions that will attract a younger group of collectors to carry on the torch after we have gone.
I will say it that if one is planing to ask over $1500 for an item, then one needs to put out some money and buy a decent camera!:bitch: The pictures aren't that good and there are too many reproductions out there. There is a seller on ePay that is offering a decent (but not exact) copy of the MC-1 mount and rail for US$370. The worst thing that can happen is to burn a new collector all because of crappy pictures.
I now dismount my horse,
Michael
If you have a scanner try that for the picture
Thanks for the idea. I do I'll have to try that when I get home
I think that some people come to these forums because they understand that this is where the experts are and they are looking for a little help in getting a fair price for their piece. They may not be collectors of M1 parts, they may have something that came from an estate, or possibly been in the family for awhile that they need to sell. Many people have been ripped off by "collectors" that prey on someones lack of knowledge or experience with collector firearms.
I believe in this case this gentleman is just trying to find out some info on his scope mount that he has. I directed him to this site because I thought this would be the best place to get advice and info from the experts but all he gets is "hey buddy buy a better camera." He is not trying to deceive anyone, he has not even offered it for sale on this site. It is always helpful to tell someone they need better pictures because it helps with the assesment of the value and authenticity, simply stating this woud have sufficed I am sure. He came here from another forum; a forum that he has offered lots of information and expertise to others. Some of these questions are the same old "what scope should I buy" or "can I shoot a .308 ot to 4000 yards," yet he is always patient and responds with useful information when he can. We are all gun people and we all have our areas of expertise that will allow us to assist others and grow the sport, if you don't like a post or don't want offer useful comments then don't repond to it.
Since your post is not directed to anyone in particular, all respondents must assume it's inclusive. If asking for better photos to assess value is not considered useful, I'll stay out of any further assistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by xarmor
Here's the problem. The pieces in question should be evaluated in person and compared with original parts. In lieu of that you must have high quality photos to be able to identify if they the are real deal or just good forgeries.
I'm trying to get a friend to let me borrow a better camera tonight. So if I get some better pictures I'll try to post them later.
ok i know the two top are small is the lower picture better or are they still not good enough. Any help is appreciated
Sorry again guys now it wont give me bigger pictures. ill try to figure it out
JRB,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jrb572
If your camera has a macro close-up setting, turn it on and set your camera to take the largest photo it can take from about 12" away resting your hands on something solid. Crop out the excess and your photo will appear as a close-up with good detail. Your filter tint is set incorrectly. If you are taking photos under a table light or florescent light, set your filter accordingly to those lights. Turn your photo sideways so we don't get a crick in our necks viewing it. :)
JRB,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jrb572
See, you're getting much better but it's blurred. Check your private messages at the top right. Almost there. :thup:
What kind of markings would be on the rings? I dont see any
ok that one realy sucks of course the bigest on sucks the most
ok no idea how i did that one
Somebody with dial up is going to hate me if they click on this with all of these pictures
I appreciate the paitence with me I still have no idea what im doing with the camera but you guys need better pictures or question make sure to let me know. Thank you very much
Are these still shaky. I know why i dont take many pictures. im Horrible at it. Ok guys im beat im out of here for the night I think. Let me know what else is needed
Ok one more question? Is there anybody in the st. Charles st. Louis south county area in MO that could give this the tumbs up it's real that I can trust. Thanks again guys for the info.
Look for a "Macro" setting on the camera menu for close-ups. Also look for the largest size photo the camera will take. It might say something like "fine." You can also set the focus on manual, then move the camera closer or farther until it is clear in the viewer, then shoot. A sharp photo from a slightly greater distance is far better than a fuzzy close one. If you shoot a big photo that is sharp, a reader can zoom in for details.
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Ok guys my latest attempts. How are they?
Much better, those should probably do it.
Any pictures of rings? All Sides or?
Ring pictures would help, especially if there are any markings on them.
JRB,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jrb572
That's enough, you have email.
I am told its is real and not real. What is the opinion of others on here any help is appreciated.
I have been told it is a USMC MC-1952 not a WW2 M1C if that helps anyone.
The FSN, 1240-647-1107, is for Mount, Telescope, Rifle, MC-1. Richard Slack was good enough to furnish a USMC parts list (SL-4-02408A) to the GCA for publishing in the GCA Journal, Fall 1988.