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[rocky321]

Guess we will have to keep doing this until we have a Parts Reference Section.

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[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Guess we will have to keep doing this until we have a Parts Reference Section.
M1 Carbine Hammer marked KR 2 - Rock Ola - eBay (item 120645966781 end time Nov-17-10 20:08:49 PST)

Or until some people start buying themselves reference books, find a mentor, and or join a club, and get better self educated on their hobby. As most of us did.

When we older guys started collecting, there was NO Internet to get quick gratification. You went to shows, you bought books, you went to military displays, you met someone who could show you things in your area, you put in the time and effort. Then you also have references to fall back on at home in the middle of the night when a question pops up. I feel when you do some of the digging yourself you remember more of what you see and read. But then again that's me. Maybe that's why the young guys call me the Curmudgeon at work.

[ScottR]

The hammer is real.

rocky321
All of us have seen some improvements in reproduction carbine parts and stock stamps, what ever reference they are using is not right and we want to keep it like that. We do not need a correct reference for them to use. You are new to carbines, take your time, learn every thing you can. Buy the carbine books that are out, learn what mistakes are in the books, join the carbine club. Forget about buying flip sights and type1 barrel bands, doglegs and early mag. catches. Stick with nice rebuilt carbines.

Scott

[rocky321]

Or until some people start buying themselves reference books, find a mentor, and or join a club, and get better self educated on their hobby. As most of us did.

When we older guys started collecting, there was NO Internet to get quick gratification. You went to shows, you bought books, you went to military displays, you met someone who could show you things in your area, you put in the time and effort. Then you also have references to fall back on at home in the middle of the night when a question pops up. I feel when you do some of the digging yourself you remember more of what you see and read. But then again that's me. Maybe that's why the young guys call me the Curmudgeon at work.

I'm 60 years old. Sorry for untilizing the internet for what it is. Then again, that's just ME! I guess you are a Curmudgeon because you never answered the question. And I mean this all in a good way, of course.

[Midmichigun]

@ Rocky.
LOL. I think we are in the same boat on knowledge. I am also new to this forum... so I ask for forgiveness on my quest for knowledge.
I am doing research with some books.... go to gunshows.... but also asking questions of "experts" on multiple websites. This is the only way that I can seem to find the Mentor, since I live off the beaten path.
I have had some 'perts on other forums claim that "print is dead" and that all knowledge is on the 'net. I love the ability to paste links, and the databases that some people put together for us.
And to the frustration of the 'perts, I keep asking the dumb Newbie questions!
I figure that some of us here have been collecting rifles for their whole lives... how do I gain that knowledge within a few years... especially since some of the books are now known to be WRONG (case in point are some ref. books on the 1903 springfield). Just my .02. Largely the Internet has taken the place of standard reference materials of yesteryear.
I just do my due diligence and go to the books first... then ask the 'perts if what I am seeing is real. Sometimes despite being a Newb, I am probably enlightening someone greener than myself.
Good luck with your search on your part. Wish I could help, but I don't have books in that direction!
As to not giving reference numbers to "avoid counterfeiters", this does work in both directions. Many people get burned for lack of knowledge, just like counterfeiters learn what is "correct" and then apply it. However, those counterfeiters also have access to the 'net and books. And some have Mentors unwittingly helping them.
I think this argument is as old as collecting judging by the fake Ming dynasty vases for sale out there.
Scott, thanks for the clarification on the part! Appreciate the input!

[rocky321]

@ Rocky.
LOL. I think we are in the same boat on knowledge. I am also new to this forum... so I ask for forgiveness on my quest for knowledge.
I am doing research with some books.... go to gunshows.... but also asking questions of "experts" on multiple websites. This is the only way that I can seem to find the Mentor, since I live off the beaten path.
I have had some 'perts on other forums claim that "print is dead" and that all knowledge is on the 'net. I love the ability to paste links, and the databases that some people put together for us.
And to the frustration of the 'perts, I keep asking the dumb Newbie questions!
I figure that some of us here have been collecting rifles for their whole lives... how do I gain that knowledge within a few years... especially since some of the books are now known to be WRONG (case in point are some ref. books on the 1903 springfield). Just my .02. Largely the Internet has taken the place of standard reference materials of yesteryear.
I just do my due diligence and go to the books first... then ask the 'perts if what I am seeing is real. Sometimes despite being a Newb, I am probably enlightening someone greener than myself.
Good luck with your search on your part. Wish I could help, but I don't have books in that direction!
As to not giving reference numbers to "avoid counterfeiters", this does work in both directions. Many people get burned for lack of knowledge, just like counterfeiters learn what is "correct" and then apply it. However, those counterfeiters also have access to the 'net and books. And some have Mentors unwittingly helping them.
I think this argument is as old as collecting judging by the fake Ming dynasty vases for sale out there.
Scott, thanks for the clarification on the part! Appreciate the input!

Thanks for the support. Makes perfect sense. At least our boat isn't sinking. Yep, and thanks to Scott too.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

My comment had nothing to do with helping people. People ask and get answers all the time on the forums.

You can Flame all you want, I can take it. But I just took a little offense to the comment: Guess we will have to keep doing this until we have a Parts Reference Section.

There are, parts reference sections, in the books. It's the attitude that someone else who has put the time in, should have a parts reference section on line for you, that's not right. Their thought when putting it together might just have been to put it in a book for sale. Things are printed in books or newsletters. Sure there are mistakes. But also with notes that are making corrections. Copyright infringements come into play if you use someone else's material verbatim.

The comment that "print is dead" and that all knowledge is on the 'net. must not be true. Other wise you would have access to it. How many of us are waiting for Larry Ruth's new book? As for corrections, how many times do you see stuff on the net proved wrong also and updated.

"I'm 60 years old. Sorry for utilizing the Internet for what it is."

Younger doesn't always pertain to age. A person new to something is considered younger in experience. As for utilizing the Internet for what it is, you did, and it wasn't there. Again proving that the written word, and or word of mouth and experience is still a valuable tool.
Wanting to protect the integrity of a hobby is not a bad thing.

That is what I was hoping would come across in my post. Guess not.

[rocky321]

My comment had nothing to do with helping people. People ask and get answers all the time on the forums.

You can Flame all you want, I can take it. But I just took a little offense to the comment: Guess we will have to keep doing this until we have a Parts Reference Section.

There are, parts reference sections, in the books. It's the attitude that someone else who has put the time in, should have a parts reference section on line for you, that's not right. Their thought when putting it together might just have been to put it in a book for sale. Things are printed in books or newsletters. Sure there are mistakes. But also with notes that are making corrections. Copyright infringements come into play if you use someone else's material verbatim.

The comment that "print is dead" and that all knowledge is on the 'net. must not be true. Other wise you would have access to it. How many of us are waiting for Larry Ruth's new book? As for corrections, how many times do you see stuff on the net proved wrong also and updated.

"I'm 60 years old. Sorry for utilizing the Internet for what it is."

Younger doesn't always pertain to age. A person new to something is considered younger in experience. As for utilizing the Internet for what it is, you did, and it wasn't there. Again proving that the written word, and or word of mouth and experience is still a valuable tool.
Wanting to protect the integrity of a hobby is not a bad thing.

That is what I was hoping would come across in my post. Guess not.

Last comment and then I'm done on this subject. Books, internet, library, etc. The bad guy has access to all of it. And who knows how many BG's are registered on websites just like this one seeking info to help themselves con people.

[Bruce McAskill]

Rocky, Your right, they are here and trying learn just like you. We had to learn and quite often the hard way and got taken but we did learn from our mistakes. The best advise I can give you is to compare any part you are looking at to one that you know is real even if it's just pictures compare them. Almost every time you will see the difference between the real one and a fake. That's how many of us got our carbine education and most of us have taken years to get as far as we have gotten. Carbines are some of the most difficult firearms to collect in collector grades as there were so many changes made by the powers that were in charge for the contractors,sub contractors and in parts going from one contractor to another as well as revisions of just about every single part in a carbine and in many cases more then once with over 6 million of them made is just over a three year period. The result was mass confusion for carbine collector which the great rebuild programs of the late 40's and 50's did not help. Read and study the books,compare photos and take notes of any good info on the forums,ask questions and you will be fine. So welcome to the world of carbine addiction.

[Mikey51]

If you don't respect Jim4F, you get no sympathy from me. Mike. N.Z.