Carbine Help

[Doco overboard]

I had the opportunity to have a look at a carbine that belongs to a friend of mine today.
Dick has a few years on me and said that he had it for quite a awhile, since he was a kid and has only had it out to shoot it a few times in the last 30 years or so.

Anyhow, he asked me if I knew anything about them to which I replied very little but there may be some folks online who knew of these things and may be interested in providing feed back if I could get some detailed pictures of it.

If someone would tell what and where for pictures regarding the important parts could someone give me a rundown when I get them? 2nd week of next month is a trap shoot and I'll get him to bring it so I can grab some images.

All I know right now is it's a Rock-ola with barrel the same, a flip rear sight, and all R marked parts with a slight, nimble band on the port side to fix a sling. It had a beveled screw in it that looked like it was specifically made.

There was a RDE in box or similarly lettered inspectors stamp and an ordnance wheel with crossed cannons on the right side, the rear buttstock had something written in the angled relief that began with either a P, R or some other manufacturers name in there. It was two or three words together, maybe 10-12 letters total, I couldn't tell because no reading glasses and we were up to shoot.

He told me the sling he had bought somewhere and was not an original item. There were a few mags, only one looked original to me and was straight, maybe 10-12 rounds capacity.

Thanks-Brian

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[Singer B]

Sounds like a great rifle! Here are some suggested pictures:

Overalls showing both sides of the rifle

Rear of the receiver showing manufacturer, rear sight and first 4 digits of the serial number

Top of the handguard showing the river pattern

Front sight

Rock Ola markings on barrel

Right side of trigger group showing the safety and magazine release

Front barrel band with sling swivel

Any and all markings on the stock including any cartouche. This includes the pistol grip and the inside of the sling well on the left side of the stock

If you provide those photos, some of the very knowledgeable people on this site will be able to tell you whatever you need to know about that rifle. Hope that helps!

[painter777]

There was a RDE in box or similarly lettered inspectors stamp and an ordnance wheel with crossed cannons on the right side,

I hope it's like pictured below....

[quote=Doco overboard;479786]the angled relief that began with either a P, R or some other manufacturers name in there.[/quote

Hopefully: RMC

It was two or three words together, maybe 10-12 letters total,

Maybe:
STAN
PROD
RWH ??

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[Doco overboard]

The two stamps were stacked just like that. I could see the outline of the die faintly to make the ordnance wheel.
I don’t want to over speculate but I believe that’s the one.
I should have grabbed a few pictures while I was there but phone wasn’t with me.
Stock hand guard etc was in good shape no dents or very little handling marks.
Trigger bow/ bottom metal finish was slightly rough. It looked like the park wasn’t very smooth.
Barrel , sights and other small parts appeared blued Or blackened with some thinning

[Doco overboard]

I had some pics sent to me. I had to get back with my friend to capture the stock marks. Ill put them up when they come along.
Seems like a pretty good one to me and it dropped them right in at 100-200yds. Thing runs like a champ.

Thanks for any info or comments that are offered,

Brian


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[Singer B]

Based upon the pictures, you either have a really great Rock Ola or a pieced together Rock Ola. It is one of the first 135,000 made and looks beautiful. Everything looks like an original rifle with a type 1 rifle barrel band, high wood stock, type 1 flip sight, original push button safety, etc. Looks like the wear and patina are all uniform. It may just be the quality of the picture, but I don't see any cartouche marks on the stock. Very lucky M1 carbine owner! Even if someone built it to meet a list of Rock Ola original parts, you have a great rifle that is very desirable. The only issue is the lack of cartouche marks which may indicate the stock was sanded or refinished (I learned about that with one of mine!). Some of the true experts here can give you a better read on it. A really important picture would be the markings on the barrel indicating the manufacturer and date of manufacture.

[Doco overboard]

Two more of the stock marks.

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[rcathey]

This is a great looking carbine.
I'm trying to convince a buddy to buy my Inland so I can buy a Rock-ola. There's something painfully cool about a rifle made by a jukebox manufacturer!

[painter777]

Now your talking !
Rock-Ola (RMC) marked slingwell
And what looks to be a Legit boxed RMC and CC stamping. These are the most often faked stamps. Requiring some study, but sure looking Original to examples I quickly looked over.

two or three words together, maybe 10-12 letters total

Curious as to the 10-12 letters, that's why I listed the STAN/Pro/ RWH rebuild stamp markings. Which it hasn't been thru. Maybe 'Memory loss' ? Or are there any other markings on the stock ?

Pictures showing markings on the rear sight, also possibly on the rear sights leaf.
Along with front and back views of the top of the Dovetails, looking for any evidence of staking from a later style sight being installed.
Is the barrel band marked on the right MR ?
Any sign of Import stamps on barrel or on/near receiver below the wood line ?
Pics also needed of front sight pin staking...
And Mag catch button and markings on the front tabs, Or as I call them the Teeth that support the magazine when inserted.
Pic of Buttplate pattern ?
Oiler marked ?

All I can see so far is the Hammer pin should go in from left to right.... muzzle pointed away.

Guess I should have listed the picture requests. Would have made it easier.
Maybe you could print or write them down.
You've got us all excited...........
Are you a potential buyer ?
PM me if you prefer.

Looking Great,
CH-P777


Edit To Add: Doco, You might find it best to document this carbine on a Data Sheet. This link will allow you to print off a couple, I usually use 1 to practice on. There are 'How To Videos' here to help you along:

Carbine Club Data Sheets - The Carbine Collector's Club

[Doco overboard]

I didn't see any import markings on it. I'm glad it's a good one because I know people feature carbines so I brought it here. I was going from memory when I mentioned the 10-12 letters. I think because I was trying to remember a whole lot real quick right before the line went hot.

The owner just brought it out to do an impromptu shoot we did last Sunday.
He said he brought it because of the mild recoil and it was about 96 deg. that day. He would let me carry it home and get some better pictures I bet if I asked him. He's an older (Im 51) very nice quiet man who wears a 101st hat to the range and tag on his truck. I just shut up and listen when he talks to me.

How he came to own it was pretty interesting. I will print off the data sheets and get the info on them and more pics when I see him next.
It's something we can work on together because he likes the range. No family interest in firearms he said.