Serial number dates

[shadycon]

Maybe this will help some of those who don't have books get an idea as to when their carbine was produced.
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[Badger]

Unfortunately, it's a closed forum ...

The link only works for members ...

Regards,
Badger

[shadycon]

Well it is another good forum! http:// m1carbineforum.forumco.com Or maybe a member here that has the production dates could post a sticky with the info. We all try to help each other!

[BrianQ]

It is also not very accurate.

[shadycon]

Well how about an accurate sticky?

[Bruce McAskill]

I wish people would stop using this list of serial numbers as some of them are way off as well as the dates. In fact the book it came from is loaded with errors and is outdated at best. Brian is right it's just not accurate.

[Maniac]

For the past year or so I've been gathering serial number and barrel data from every IP, S.G. & S'G' I've either personally seen, seen for sale (as long as pix can confirm whether S.G. or S'G' or seen pix/data of that members have posted on various forums. Lately I've also been adding whether a carbine had gone through a post-war rebuild as well, figuring that because many Carbines did retain their original barrels there would be less chance someone would change a barrel on a rebuild yet keep it in that configuration.

[Bill Hollinger]

I will agree with shadycon on this. When someone askes a question about a date associated with a particular serial number an answer may or not be given. We have all heard a number of times that that "list" is no good but no one offers up information that they have to help put together one that is good.

We have some very knowledgeable folks here on this site that like to hold onto their information as if it is top secret. There is a lot of information that is top secret and should be treated as such but is the "born on dates" really all that top secret? How about one of the fellas with good, reliable information about dates post a sticky chart showing them. TIA

[Maniac]

I will agree with shadycon on this. When someone askes a question about a date associated with a particular serial number an answer may or not be given. We have all heard a number of times that that "list" is no good but no one offers up information that they have to help put together one that is good.

We have some very knowledgeable folks here on this site that like to hold onto their information as if it is top secret. There is a lot of information that is top secret and should be treated as such but is the "born on dates" really all that top secret? How about one of the fellas with good, reliable information about dates post a sticky chart showing them. TIA

I'd be more than happy to share the serial number info that I've gathered, Bill. But how about we go one better and start an IP/S'G'/S.G. serial number thread of our own?
The info provided should at very least include the first 4 digits of the serial #, barrel make and date (if dated). We would need to be specific whether it's an S.G. or S'G' since a simple SG won't cut it with all the crossover between serial # ranges. We could possibly include other abbreviated info we deem important, for example wide tang/narrow tang (wt/nt), SG subcontract stampings, original configuration/condition (oc) or post war rebuild (pwrb). Other data that I note are where and when seen such as Gunbroker (GB 1-09) and who reported/owns it
Example: S'G' 1871xxx with 9-43 UEF nt, oc (Maniac CSP)
Other info like stocks, trigger housings, bolts, safeties, mag catches etc. would be less valuable since all these can be changed out easily without detection.
Of course, this could be also done for other carbine makers too. If so, it might be easier to break the different manufacturers into separate stickies or subforums. Just think of the barrel usage patterns we would see as our database grew!
Just a thought, sorry if I rambled . . .

[Tired Retired]

Let me take a stab (right or wrong) at why this may be happening. I think that one issue with "sharing" the correct info is that it comes from either the better books or the club, both of which are copywritten. The legal answer is that we can not post the QUOTED info without permission from the copywrite holder. I think its safe to say that those who do possess it also have a great respect for those who have collected it and "own" the collected works - don't want to undercut those that have worked so hard to assemble it....

Now with that said, I honestly think that this attempt to respect the body of the work may be doing some long range harm to the hobby. I would like to see one of the copywrite holder actually post (and give permission to open post) just the CORRECT serial numbers and dates of manufacture information and allow it to be quoted as them as the source. I do not see that causing any loss of revenue or an erosion of any other detailed research info. I believe it will actually create a hunger for many people to dig deeper in what their individual carbine means....

But that is just my opinion.... and I hope that all this detailed information that some have worked so hard (for a lifetime) to collect does not die with the current generation....

Just my two cents worth....