No. 4 "Carbine"

[Promo]

Can someone tell me something about the rifle in the attached pictures. Sorry there is no "full picture" but it has been shortened about 5cm (both stock and barrel). It has a lot of strange markings on nearly all parts. Also I've never seen the ring on the left side of the receiver ring before, note the small broad arrow on it!

It's based on a Savage, S/N on the butt of the stock, the receiver ring, the underside of the stock and the bolt match.

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[limpetmine]

Ah, the rare Savage/Fazakerly saddle ring carbine.
It looks to be one of the last of the Savage No4 Mk1*. Can't speak to the rest of it, but it looks interesting.

[tlvaughn]

It looks to be one of the last of the Savage No4 Mk1*

Based on the cross-screw in pic #2, looks like it was converted to a Mk1/3. Not much more I can add.

[buffdog]

Very rare rifle. We have a FIVE digit number after the O C, (zero C) with 1944, 1945 and 1946 (?) dates on the wood, receiver and barrel, a Birmingham Proof House stamp on the receiver, and of course, the saddle ring.

The X serial numbers are assumed to be for and Experimental rifle and it is Number 1 of how many? And the work was done at Enfield (EFD)? The "Broad Arrow" on the stock and the rear of the bolt handle is the seldom seen "left offset shaft" type but the one on the bottom of the forestock is closer to specifications.

Until otherwise proven, I think I will keep my hands on my wallet on this one.
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[Peter Laidler]

What has given the game away and spells out to me in big letters, with bells on them 'FAKE' and a pxxx-poor one at that is the fact that 'supposedly' Fazakerley stamped the side of the body with the new designation. This would never happen. Armourers were not allowed to stamp the body side (although we did, say, to replace the letter 'T' for example) but the factory would never stamp the body. It would always be over engraved.

In short a pxxx-poor fake. That's only my opinion as an enthusiastic amateur

The second give-away is that there wasn't a lot of worldwide call for horse mounted riflemen in 1945 - or whenever - to warrant a saddle ring. But you never know................

[Roger Payne]

Yep, definitely the product of a fertile imagination but rather less expertise........at least IMHO.

ATB

[breakeyp]

I suppose out there somewhere there exists an "advanced" collector who only collects fakes. What stories he could tell. At least the butchers seem to think they are out there.

[Badger]

I suppose out there somewhere there exists an "advanced" collector who only collects fakes. What stories he could tell. At least the butchers seem to think they are out there.

Regards,
Doug

[Brit plumber]

The saddle ring looks like a pistol lanyard ring. Also, has someone tried to mark a DDE number on it.

[Promo]

Was there even an Experimental No. 4 "Carbine"? And what should all the X ... markings mean? And any idea why it says "No. 1" on the receiver?