New IBM with IO bolt

[Curt]

Scored a nice Bring Back IBM today. 3.72, I found a blued IO sideways 2 flat bolt in it, the rest of the rifle is what you expect and low mileage. I know there was a few transfered from Inland Is this too late for a IO bolt or fully believeable?

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[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Curt,

Is your barrel dated? SN might be a bit late. I read the last bolts integrated from Inland to IBM was 8-43.

[Curt]

10-43 IBM barrel

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Also found Underwood trigger,sear and recoil plate in it. I get that those were pretty large quanities if I remember correct

[Tom in N.J.]

That may have been one of the 66 M1 carbines I cleaned at Sampson A.F.B. in 1955, all bolts went in one bucket, trigger housings in another, all actions went in a barrel. gasoline was applied. Bores scrubbed with bore brush, brass brush applied to all surfaces, All items were immersed in light oil and re assembled. I laugh when I hear of 'all original' or 'bring-back' ( stolen ) U.S. military weapons. The first 'G.I. party' takes care of originality. I'm sure that since the newest carbines were ten years old at the time of my cleaning, it was not the first 'swap-out' they had been through.

[firstflabn]

Anecdotes are fun but almost always rely on broad assumptions. By that "logic" there could not be one original carbine anywhere on the Earth - with the possible exception of a handful of presentations. Your assertions of certainty deny obvious reality. Musta scrubbed them real good in 1955 to affect WWII bringbacks.

[DaveHH]

I never saw, participated in or heard of a "GI party". I have heard of National Guard folks doing this and also about how they drank gallons of Vin Rose and shot cars with slingshots when going to summer camp. I don't think you'd find any line outfit in the Army doing this. And yes, there are original carbines, sorry if some folks don't have one, but they are out there.

[Bruce McAskill]

Your barrel dates goes well with your serial number range which would be about November 1943. All of the Inland bolts were sent in July 1943 and used up by the end of August so I do not think your bolt is original. The trigger,sear and recoil plate very well could be correct. I take it that it has a type 1 rear sight and barrel band with a type 2 stock?

[Curt]

I'll get some pics up, and so it continues

[imarangemaster]

I never saw, participated in or heard of a "GI party". I have heard of National Guard folks doing this and also about how they drank gallons of Vin Rose and shot cars with slingshots when going to summer camp. I don't think you'd find any line outfit in the Army doing this. And yes, there are original carbines, sorry if some folks don't have one, but they are out there.

In three years in the Army and two years in an Air Force Security Police reserve outfit, we would have mass cleaning parties dunking uppers in barrels without handguards, but NEVER mixed parts. And yes, I do have an all original 1943 Inland that was NOT parts swapped. It came directly from the estate of an elderly WW II combat vet.

[DaveHH]

Before going out on my first convoy down Hwy one, I stopped by the arms room to pick up some magazines and ammo. I took them back to the hooch and looked at them. They were full of sand and twigs, the ball rounds were dirty and some were corroded. At that point I had another epiphany about the Army; there are just tons of really stupid lazy dopes here! I vowed to never let anyone handle or use my weapons, my ammo or my magazines. I got my own supply, lots of mags, plenty of ammo. Kept them in my truck. I did my own PM because I never trusted those culls I was living with. No way ever I do a communal cleaning.