Canadian Enfields

[Kiverson]

Hey guys, I've got a question for you.

I'm looking at buying a Canadian (Longbranch) Enfield. I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience with them? Are they every bit as good as a British made SMLE? Was the general fit and finish more or less the same as it's British brethren? Or are they perhaps even more nicely polished and tuned than your average example from across the pond?

All facts and opinions are welcomed, as I'm trying to expand my SMLE knowledge as much as possible.

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[Beerhunter]

All facts and opinions are welcomed, as I'm trying to expand my SMLE knowledge as much as possible.

Let's start with Longbranch did not make any SMLEs only No.4s

At school, we had a mixture of No.4 Mk1s and No.4 Mk1*s. (Longbranch only made the latter.) As a Cadet Armourer, I didn't like the the No.4Mk.1*s because cadets could and would break the boltway where the bolt head engaged. No.4 Mk1s did not have this problem.

Othera will give you their views on other aspects of Longbranch production however, should you buy a Longbranch, examine the bolt way cut-out VERY carefully.

[Badger]

History of Long Branch Arsenal

History of Small Arms Limited (October 1943 - March 1946)

Regards,
Doug

[JerryEAL]

Make sure it is matching,bolt,mag etc. You will not loose money and maybe could consider it an investment. Extremely desireable in the No4 Mk1* community. In Ontario Canada I found out for the first time this year they still celebrate the production of Longbranch/Small Arms Ltd. at the abandoned facility. Longbranch had a major impact on the area and on the war effort in general for Canadians as an employer and supplier of fine weapons to the allied soldiers. This is also a biased opinion as I live in Canada.

[3mctoledo]

Out of my Long Branches (Ranging from 1941 - 1950) the ones that overall shoot best and are well fit were / are the 1949 and 1950's. I like the early blued 1950 for great looks.

I agree with checking the bolt release slot fit carefully. I have one that the bolt head pops out frequently.

For SMLE's my favorites are the late Lithgows. My favorite is one of my 1953s.

Shooting (For me):
Out to 500 yards (Meters) No 4s.
Long shots the SMLEs.

The biggest thing is that these weapons are only our for a short time. Changed , adjusted and modified repeatedly over time. The stewardship by previous owners (Military or civilian) matters a lot on their current condition (Fit and function).

[Robert303]

Can't remember where I read it but one opinion was that Longbranch made rifles were the best of the wartime production. I have had no trouble with the ones I have owned and have built a 4T replica on one that came with pads fitted.

[Kiverson]

Let's start with Longbranch did not make any SMLEs only No.4s

I've never heard of the two terms meaning distinctly different things: I had always thought that "SMLE" was just a broad term, while "No.4" referred to a specific SMLE.

Why does SMLE only refer to the older No.1's?

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one opinion was that Longbranch made rifles were the best of the wartime production

I won't take that too literally, but with a grain of salt. But that does still testify to the general quality of Canadian-made Enfields.

Thanks!

[ssj]

A gun made after ww2 in Canada or UK would seem to be the best option for "well made" with good finish. Many UK no4 mk2s would seem to have been sold out of service but only ever stored (1952~1955). Being a hung trigger the no4 mk2s would tend to be the most accurate and have the best stock sights. From what I can read you should be able to pick up a good one in Canada for very reasonable money. Otherwise, yes a late LB gun, 1949 ~ 1950 is supposed to be also well made and finished.

Maybe consider why you want one. eg I won Enfields and Mosins, the enfields are far better made but still no where as accurate as say a modren savage or Tikka. But I use my guns for service shooting, I also shoot Palma/FTR. I love it all but banging my AJ Parker accurised no4 at up to 600m is the most fun....but I wouldnt hunt with it.

[Kiverson]

Shooting (For me):
Out to 500 yards (Meters) No 4s.
Long shots the SMLEs.

Why the SMLE for long distance? Is it just those particular rifles shoot better, or is there something inherent to the SMLE that lends itself to longer range shooting? I (with little practical experience) have always theorized the opposite: because of the No.4's sight, and its longer sighting radius. You've piqued my curiosity, and I'd love to hear your bit on that.

[Kiverson]

From what I can read you should be able to pick up a good one in Canada for very reasonable money.

I live in Minnesota, US. While my state does border Canada, the area here is truly vast and expansive, and to drive to Canada to buy a rifle would take about 8-10 hours of driving. Or maybe you meant to have one shipped? I have no idea how importation of weapons to individuals in my country works, but it sounds like it'd be a complicated hassle...it may not actually be, but it seems like it would.

While I do love an accurate rifle, modern sporters like a Remington 700, Browning A-bolt, or Winchester M70, do nothing for me. They simply are not interesting to me to any degree, and seem so soul-less and generic..despite being hot performers. I'll take an old surplus rifle that shoots 3-4 inch groups at 100 yards/meters with open sights, than a new Weatherby that manages .75 MOA at the same distance. While I don't hunt anymore, I did enjoy taking my 98k and K31 into the woods with me, and my first ever deer fell to one shot from that old Yugoslavian-captured K98k..and I wouldn't want it any other way

I really appreciate the input, and it will go into my considerations for my first Enfield purchase.

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Regards

That was an immensely interesting read, thanks!