An interesting 4t at the LGS today

[snipershot1944]

I ran across a 4t variation today at the little gun show that I'm not familiar with. I will try to post photos tonight and perhaps board members may be able to enlighten me.

The bracket has an oval lid milled out section with the rifle serial number stamped within it.

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Ok. No little box to go advanced to post photos here. I'm not sure how to proceed.

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[Roger Payne]

Sounds suggestive of post-WW2 refurb. Not uncommon on brackets on L42's. Hope you manage to figure out how to post some pix though.

Cheers.

[snipershot1944]

Sounds suggestive of post-WW2 refurb. Not uncommon on brackets on L42's. Hope you manage to figure out how to post some pix though.

Cheers.

I think I figured it out. See attachments. Attachment 48421Attachment 48422Attachment 48423Attachment 48424Attachment 48425

My concerns are the milled out section on the bracket, the early Mk 1 scope on a late rifle and the scope number line out. Comments?

[Warren]

Normally done when doing a forced match and not military related. My opinion is humped.
Military workshop would just bar out the old number and re-stamp the new number.
Scope serial number year of mfr and rifle number do not match as well. Also, if I'm correct, the rifle serial number prefix is a G, NOT a C as on the mount. Somebody slipped up or ???
Plus with the wrist being marked with the scope number it has been purposely humped.

[Peter Laidler]

Saw that as a bare scope in 4/02..........!

[PrinzEugen]

Be a shame if they've stamped the number on a genuine butt... Not exactly in 'line abreast' either.

Of course that's not to say you should be put off - after all if it's all genuine parts... just it's been 'made to match' so price should be for a mismatch at best. Need to see other pics to authenticate the woodwork etc as original.

[snipershot1944]

It was one of those days at the show. The dealer told me he had the transit chest too, and I asked to see it. Was told that he forgot it at his shop, 400 miles away. I asked what was in the chest and was told that the rifle, etc. was an estate consignment piece and he had never opened the chest. So I may go look at it, when I'm down that way next time. The rifle actually looked pretty good, save the line out on the wrist. What had me concerned was the bracket numbering, the early scope and the markings on the wrist. All y'all have confirmed my concerns. thanks much.

David

[Roger Payne]

Yep, agree with Warren, although the expression 'being humped' is fairly new to me & has an entirely different connotation round here.........!
You just don't see late war rifles re-matched with early war scopes - at least not in UK service. The milling is clearly not a military post-war phenomenon as I thought it could have been prior to seeing the photo's, but I would dearly have liked to see more detailed photo's of the bracket as from the ones we have I'm by no means certain that it's even original. In fact the un-cleaned-up rough cast surface is exactly how mine come back from the casters & machinist prior to my doing the final cleaning up myself. I have however sold some to dealers before now who preferred a discount & who were going to do their own final tidying up - some did & some didn't bother. Not saying it definitely is one of my mounts, but it looks like it could be. More pix would clarify.

Happy New Year to all.

[snipershot1944]

FWIW, the bracket was marked N92 on the forward leg left side.

[Roger Payne]

Thanks snipershot. It might well be the real deal, but the pictures of the main centre 'strut' (such as we can see of it) don't look at all typical of most N92 brackets I've seen. The surface finish of the casting is usually cleaned up more than that. I've also seen some of my brackets wearing N92 markings! I guess it doesn't really matter too much because I presume you're not going to buy it anyway, but it just aroused my curiosity!

ATB.