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    Looking for some help with my No4

    I took the bolt out to clean the barrel and bolt.
    After that was all done I was verifying that it works correctly and I noticed that it clicks the trigger twice upon cocking and sliding the bolt back.
    I'm pretty sure it didn't do that before. Any ideas?

    I know it's the trigger because if I gently put my finger over it, it flicks a bit when it clicks on the way back
    You can see how it kicks my finger forward when it does it

    The beginning shows you how it cycles smoothly when the bolt is cocked
    Afterwards you can see what I'm describing


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    Could be just the cocking piece running over the Sear as the bolt is moved backwards the first click would be over the half cocked milled section and the last the cocking piece face but it is only my view and may be totally incorrect however the learned pelicans will definitely guide you to the correct source of the anomaly I am just trying to give you a start point.
    Good luck, is it a T as I saw the scope pads if it is post the details and the group can pretty much let you know a bit of its history if they can.

    Looks like a proper T as I saw the TR on the butt socket left side

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    Short answer to question above the video clip, nothing is wrong.

    Perfectly normal thing, those two clicks - as Cinders says above, the spring loaded sear which lies between the trigger and the cocking piece is deflected twice as the bolt passes to the rear. These two movements often cause the loose trigger to jump.

    The bolt cocks on the forward stroke, as the sear has now been allowed to rise up to its full extent, and captures the end of the cocking piece as the bolt is thrust forward.

    There is a sequence of six or even seven distinct noises to be heard when cycling a Lee Enfield action slowly.
    You don't tend to notice them when going at normal shooting speed.
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    hmm strange, I didn't remember it doing that. Maybe it did Thanks for confirming that it's ok!
    Here's all the markings I've found on it. I don't see where it is marked a T though. I've looked on the left of the reciever where the scope mount would mount to

    What can you tell me about it? I can get some pictures up in a bit

    I do see M47C then 1944 and the serial number starting with P33XXX and TR under that

    There are different markings on the bands up towards the barrel. Are these supposed to match? N79 and S76

    On the bottom of the stock directly under the cheekrest it has S5 stamped into the wood
    I've read around and usually its supposed to say S51 but mine only has the S5 I don't see the 1

    There's some kind of squiggles on the safety lever I can't make out what it is

    SM stamped on the part of the sight that moves up and down by twisting the adjustment knob

    Bottom side of stock behind the trigger is SL N 74 upside down V and a star

    Towards the front of the receiver on the right side is a crown and ENGLAND

    It also has a brass buttstock


























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    Looks pretty legit but does it have the scope which the Serial No. should be stamped on the top of the butts wrist section, all the other stuff matches my stampings there should be two other stampings either side of the cocking piece on the small flats I think E6 rings a bell 47C is BSA Shirley but Peter Laidlericon the most wisest of Pelicans will further elaborate or just go through the threads on the sniper T.
    Thanks for posting the pics we all enjoy pictures gives a tangible link to the rifle

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    It looks like an honest "less telescope" rifle. Selected for accuracy at BSA and converted to No.4T at H&H but never finished with the addition of a bracket/scope. Other than some rough handling marks in the woodwork, it won't have any stories to tell but should shoot like a house on fire when set up properly with a bracket and scope. Even the crusty original Brunofix finish is still present on the receiver. Nice!

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    I don't have a serial number on the wrist part, at least it's not visible.

    What's the brunofix finish? Is that why my receiver looks like it has a texture on it?

    What's up with the ENGLAND part being smooth with round circles aound the stamping, looks like the bottom half wasn't protected and got wiped out; almost like it was refinished?

    Would you guys recommend I get this if I want to have a scope to go with it?
    Full Ensemble for the No. 32 MKI Telescope


    I do want to complete the rifle and I've found a few sources that point me to this.

    Thanks!

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    I would say no because it is a replica and your rifle is the real McCoy. But you will have to save really hard to get the real McCoy telescope/bracket but they ARE out there. A virtually new 1943 Mk2/1(W) tele and bracket that was virtually made for yours just went on ebay for £1400 or so

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    I would agree entirely with Brian that you have a nice unadulterated late 1944 'Less Telescope' rifle. I would also agree with Peter that, at least IMHO, it's better to save longer & get a real scope than to get a repro. Maybe if you were putting a clone together, but you have a very nice rifle there........it deserves a real scope. And to be honest, whilst prices of the repro's do vary somewhat, they often aren't that cheap. The extra expense in obtaining a real scope would be well worthwhile in the long run as it will last another lifetime if looked after, & will always be what your rifle deserves........the real deal. Putting it in pure financial terms, too, if you invest in a genuine scope you will get your extra outlay back & more when you finally come to sell it.

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    Annanuvverfing...... Collecting all the parts together over a few years is as interesting as it is a learning curve. And fun too!

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