New P14

[Dalebert]

I had posted some pics of this rifle before. Decided to buy it last week. Curious as to thoughts on value given a few condition issues.

The good:
Intact volley sights
Retains brass disc in stock
Excellent bore

The bad:
Bolt does not match receiver. Barrel and receiver match though
Stock has been cleaned and most of orginal patina removed. But seems original stain is intact. Almost like someone use a solvent and maybe steel wool to even out stock. Some spots still retain original finish

Does anyone know what the markings on brass disc indicate or a resource that would?

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[Brian Dick]

Just rub out the wood with some raw linseed oil and it'll come right back to life.

[Flying10uk]

I believe that the brass butt disc without a centre screw is unusual; I don't recall seeing this before. I guess it must be glued in?

[Eaglelord17]

Very nice, how is the bore on it?

The reason I ask is I have a P-14 with the same import mark (I think) which also retains the volley sights and has a different bolt number. The bore is also mint. It would be interesting if these were shipped as the same batch (though I have no idea how mine made it to Canada, as normally we don't get import marked rifles).

[Dalebert]

Eaglelord,

I would'nt describe the bore as "mint", but it is "very good to excellent" IMO. Strong sharp rifling and fairly shiny. The barrel is at least the equal of the overall rifle and should be no obstacle to shootability or doesn't bring the gun down.

I bought it mainly to preserve it for a collector and flip. I paid $400, so think I can find it a good home for it someday and not get hurt. I told the seller it was probably a $700 rifle retail.

[oldpaul]

I hadn't noticed the lack of a screw in the bass disc until F10UK mentioned it, but it looks, to my untrained eye to be Farsi or some other middle eastern letter imprinted on it. Perhaps a member here recently graduated from the sand box will comment. Regards Tom

[Dalebert]

oldpaul

Agree that the inscription on the brass disc looks like middle eastern. That was my initial thought also.

Curious when this gun was manufactured (1916 or 1917). There is a code "Y229" on the bottom of the barrel. Is that the date code. If so, any help on what that translates to manufacture year. The only other prominent number I see on bottom of barrel is a 7 by itself.

[oldfoneguy]

Hello, new member here but I'm a longtime milsurp lover. Your receiver looks to have the star marking just below the R E which indicates it had the larger bolt lug upgrade in December 1916. This designates the rifle as a P14 MkI*. If that is the case the volley sights are incorrect for that rifle as they were removed when this upgrade was done. There should also be a MkI* stamp on the buttstock around the makers mark if the stock is original to the rifle. I believe the daisy stamp on the bolt indicates this upgrade as well. The location of the serial number on the bolt indicates this as well because the number was originally on the underside of the bolt handle making this somewhat of a force match. With the bolt open you should see a milled half circle at the base of the barrel just before the chamber, this was done to facilitate the larger bolt lug. If you remove the hand guards there should be a year stamping on the chamber which will tell you the year it was made. Mine is on the left side of the chamber. A guesstamate based on Remington's first date of manufacture for these of 3/25/16 and an average production of 1000 rifles per day makes your rifle to be made on or around mid October 1916 which seems correct for the MkI* upgrade as all rifles made in and after December 1916 didn't require it. I know all of this after much research due to the purchase of my Remington P14 about a month ago! Mine is in the high 93,000's also with the upgrade and most of the same markings but no import mark with a guesstamate build date of 6/26/16. Oh and I'm retired so I have the time for this kind of research.
They are nice rifles and mine shoots very well, enjoy it. - Bill

[Dalebert]

Bill,

The marks below the RE is not an asterisk mark. It is like two perpendicular Vs. Like a V was struck twice. Nothing like the "daisy stamp" on bolt.

I can't find the year stamping. What will it say? 1916? There is a solitary "7". Could that mean 1917? All in all not that important, but I was wondering if next year was it 100 year birthday or 2017.

[oldfoneguy]

Here are a few of the pics I have of mine.

The receiver shows the "star" marking which if stamped softly can resemble some V's.
The "daisy" stamp on the bolt handle.
The date stamp on the chamber.
The milling work done to the barrel by the chamber.
The 7 your seeing could be the "broad arrow" acceptance stamp.
You can see one to the right of the date stamp.
You may have to pull the barreled action out of the stock to see the date completely, sorry about that!
Based on your serial number on the bolt she's 99 this month so you can plan the big party for next year.

Newbe here so I'm not sure what order the pics are in but I trust you guys to figure them out.
I hope these help you figure out what you have. - Bill