Need help identifying my new Enfield

[iacullopf]

Hi all -- new to MILSURPS, but have been crusing the forums for years. I just bought a rifle that I am unable to identify. My best guess is that it is some bubba-d-up POS but it might a jem. Any way, here's the details: 43.5" OAL, 24.5" bbl, safety on left, crown over 59 over "E" on right, volley sights, 10 rd mag, enfield rifling, no mag cutoff, bridge reciever w/ stripper clip milling, leaf rear sight, bayonet lug on nose cap, "crown over er / enfield / 1903 / LE / I" on left side, drift adj front sight, import marked: "TGI KNOX TN NO1 MK1 303 BRITISH". Some writing on the butt stock that I cannot decipher. Here's the pix:

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[Frederick303]

It is a Pakistani hand made gun. Nice a as collector item, not for shooting.

[iacullopf]

Thx for UR reply!!! What should I call it? Cut down Long Lee? Kinda a SMLE III? Any idea what it started out before it got to this state? Value? I guess I have a lot of Q's. LOL

[henry r]

it probably started out as re-bar and scrap metal

the khyber pass copies are just that, copies made by talented people with plenty of time but little in the way of resources.

[iacullopf]

Thx 4 da info, guys!

[Ridolpho]

The model they were attempting to copy appears to be a Charger Loading Lee Enfield, Mk I (CLLE). These were an attempt to get extra life out of old, obsolete "Long Lee's" by adding a SMLE Mk III charger bridge and a few other minor modifications. Definitely worth keeping in a collection.

Ridolpho

[Flying10uk]

Could we see pictures (both sides) of the full length of the rifle, please. I think that it could be a slightly modified long Lee with different bayonet bar fitted and charger bridge fitted and I am not sure that it is a copy? Can some-one with better knowledge of when Edward the 7th was on the throne confirm that E.R. is correct for 1903 and it should not be V.R., please? Thanks

[Ridolpho]

Edward VII: 1901-1910. I agree, take some detailed photos of the action body with wood off. Personally (and for what it's worth) I suspect a lot of these Khyber Pass rifles (both Martinis and Lee Enfields) used salvaged original parts (of course, heavily modified) as opposed to the idea of some guy with a primitive machine shop making a very accurate receiver replica out of a chunk of railway. The labour involved would be immense. As an example, on another forum, recently, a rough No. 5 was deemed by the brain trust to be pure Khyber. I superimposed photos of portions of it next to a genuine No. 5 and the similarity of minor details was impressive- right down to the flutes on the barrel. Given that these are covered by the handguard, would the Khyber craftsman really go to that length?

Ridolpho

[browningautorifle]

Agreed it's a Khyber pass special, but again a good collector's piece.

[jrhead75]

Don't kid yourself...they can and do build them from scratch. They did get the monarch/date and other info correct on the butt socket, but that info wasn't applied anywhere near Enfield Lock or England for that matter. And while they certainly recycled, my money's on this one being scratch built somewhere on the old Northwest Frontier.

As mentioned, they can be interesting pieces in their own right.