Berdan II Bayonet

[Aragorn243]

This is for the last rifle I have that was needing a bayonet.

So I paid way more than I wanted for this but this was the fourth one I've seen or heard about and all went in this price range. It has a bend which should be easy to get out.

I don't have it yet, seller's photos.

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[browningautorifle]

Nice...yes, should straighten easily. Once you have it a pic with the rifle, fixed? No hope of a scabbard I guess? What would it need, the standard leather with brass ends?

[Aragorn243]

Not sure they ever had scabbards. The Russians seemed to keep them on the rifles at all times. They didn't have them for the 91's or 91/30's that I'm aware of. I've never seen an example of one anyway.

[capt14k]

Not sure they ever had scabbards. The Russians seemed to keep them on the rifles at all times. They didn't have them for the 91's or 91/30's that I'm aware of. I've never seen an example of one anyway.

Russian and Finnish used M91 and M91/30 absolutely had scabbards. They had both leather and metal. The Finnish used Berdans also had scabbards as far as I know, not sure about Russian. I just sold a Finnish Cutdown Berdan II Bayonet that I probably under priced. Sold almost as soon as I listed it.

[Aragorn243]

I know the Finns had leather scabbards and issued them. The Russians zeroed the rifles with the bayonets on so not sure if they did or not. I've seen rumors of leather ones but never an original one, same with the Finns. The reproduction leather scabbards are modeled after the Finns.

The Austrians and possibly the Germans made metal ones for their captured rifles. I have an Austrian one.

I remembered I actually have a book on Mosin Nagant bayonets, so I dug it out and looked. They did indeed make scabbards for them. The Russians used leather and canvas materials in construction. Can't confirm metal with them. The Finns used leather and metal, the Germans and Austrians and Bavarians used metal.

The Russians issued scabbards as standard from 1936-1940 but no clarification on issue before or after those dates. These were the canvas or tarpulan versions. During WWI, they issued leather.

Nice book but it's mostly in Russian with an abbreviated English translation so I'm possibly missing some information.

The name of the book by the way is: Mosin Bayonets by Barsukov E B Kind of amazing how many there are actually, hundreds of variations and we only typically see the standared 1891 version and the 91/30 version sold with the masses of rifles over the last dozen years or so.

[capt14k]

I know the Finns had leather scabbards and issued them. The Russians zeroed the rifles with the bayonets on so not sure if they did or not. I've seen rumors of leather ones but never an original one, same with the Finns. The reproduction leather scabbards are modeled after the Finns.

The Austrians and possibly the Germans made metal ones for their captured rifles. I have an Austrian one.

I remembered I actually have a book on Mosin Nagant bayonets, so I dug it out and looked. They did indeed make scabbards for them. The Russians used leather and canvas materials in construction. Can't confirm metal with them. The Finns used leather and metal, the Germans and Austrians and Bavarians used metal.

The Russians issued scabbards as standard from 1936-1940 but no clarification on issue before or after those dates. These were the canvas or tarpulan versions. During WWI, they issued leather.

Nice book but it's mostly in Russian with an abbreviated English translation so I'm possibly missing some information.

The name of the book by the way is: Mosin Bayonets by Barsukov E B Kind of amazing how many there are actually, hundreds of variations and we only typically see the standared 1891 version and the 91/30 version sold with the masses of rifles over the last dozen years or so.

I've only owned Finnish Leather and a metal one I thought was Russian Made. I have a couple of the ones still. Maker Marked by Friitala Nahka and F. Niskala. Åström also made them. Finnish used rattails I own or have owned are M91, M91 Panshin, M91/30, M91/24, and Berdan II. All the rattail Bayonets were Russian first.

[Aragorn243]

Bayonet arrived today, fits perfectly. This particular one fits under the barrel rather than on the side of the barrel. Identical other than the position of the mounting slots. Can't find a mark on it. The bend was incredibly easy to fix. Photos taken, will get them posted shortly.

[Aragorn243]

[browningautorifle]

Lookin' mighty good now.

[Aragorn243]

Sadly, I discovered another rifle I have that is missing a bayonet. An Indonesian Dutch Mannlicher converted to 303. I haven't even seen a photo of this one.