Photos of original FG42

[boltaction]

Good morning:
There really isn't a forum for miscellaneous military rifles, nor is there one for machine guns like Maxims, Lewis, etc, so this has been put in General Discussion. I've had some surgery on my knee, so am at loose ends today, and thought I would take apart my FG42 to clean it. While doing so, I took some photos, which I hope others will enjoy. Being in Canada, and too young to own machine guns, this one is a CA. No, I didn't do the conversion; it was done several years ago. While I'm glad it was done so that I can own this piece, I wish in many ways it hadn't been done as it changes the gun.

The unit is matching, and all original, except the magazine, which is a modern repro stamped "Made in Japan" and while the hold open works, the mag doesn't lock into place. I would love to find an original mag somewhere, or maybe one of those mags for the repro FG42s being brought in might fit.

Typical of later war German weapons, this one is quite modular, and snaps together and apart quite easily. I would think it would have been rather ungainly to shoot, especially with a full magazine hanging off one side, but reportedly, recoil was fairly minimal because of the straight in line design. Like all light autos, I believe they tended to "climb" when on full auto. However, I would think one would only use the full auto function when doing support fire, which would probably be on the ground with bipod mounted anyway. The bayonet is kind of laughable, but no more so than the French MAS.

I have not shot this rifle, and while I would love to, probably never will as if something happened to it, I would feel terrible.

I haven't labelled the photos; the sequence is fairly self-explanatory.











































































































Ed

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[browningautorifle]

Very nice. Very comprehensive set of photos. I don't recall this one being done here before. I see a couple of parts they specifically copied for the M60.

[boltaction]

YEs, there are a few modern firearms which seem to owe some parts to the FG42. I should really make up a Knowledge Library entry for it I suppose, although some of our members down in the US likely have more "original" examples than I do--mine has had the selector switch removed and that part welded over, so it is not really as it was in 1944 anymore. Still, in all, a rare rifle and really neat to hold. When I look at it, I wonder where it served, who carried it, what happened to him, who it passed to, etc. Was it in action in Normandy against our troops, in Italy against our troops (maybe at Cassino), or ? This history of these pieces is what I love the most.

Ed

[Maple_Leaf_Eh]

As a fellow Canadian, I have to cry and cheer at the same time. Cry because of the transport laws, but cheer that such a CA exists in private hands.

[MJ1]

Great picks can i keep some? I will title them to you. But maybe you don't want that? In school in the 60's they had a rifle that looked like the FG but had the MG42 feed cover on one side. They also had the FG We had a lot of burring in the cam groves in '66/'67 bolt and operating rod. Also the grip retaining clip was a direct copy and we added a special training memo. In the field I had no problems with the grip lock until after Tet in 1968 when replacements had no training. The old crew never had to replace the trigger sear. Clean off and on. The new people could destroy a sear in one range day. It was a direct copy of the FG42 carrier/striker fired system.

Thank you again.

[Calif-Steve]

M60MG copy, yes a of this rifle. The the US Army got it wrong. Should have simply copied and fielded the MG42 in 7.62mm. But instead the US Army fielded a poor MG that was expensive and prone to quick wear. Oh, well.

[MJ1]

I had a lot of gauling at the bolt and op-rod lug cam slot and the lug it self. Most of the guns would be cleand off all grease because of the red dust collecting there by the troops so the guns were run dry on the roads. Even static guns on parimiter duty that had grease showed gauling. Every few thousand rounds I would have to stone these areas. I have neve seen the problem on pictures of the FG42 parts. Looking back I think there must have been aproduction problem inheat treating or material selection from the start. By mid '68 I was able to rotate half my M60's to the next level of repair shops that had opened in Pleiku for an upgrade. The came back with white bolts and we received a new lube you could squirt into a hot gun when it started to slow down.



I have some ZB-26 magazines that work in the new semi only USA made FG42 copies. What do you use in Canada for magazines?

Cheers
..MJ..

[boltaction]

I have some ZB-26 magazines that work in the new semi only USA made FG42 copies. What do you use in Canada for magazines?

Cheers
..MJ..

Hmm, that's a thought. I have a Dewat Czech ZB30J in 7 x 57, but the mags are the same as the 8mm. I will try one of them--if it fit, that would be a good way to go. I was thinking of maybe trying to get one of the repro mags out of the US, but the problem is these stupid stupid STUPID mag size restrictions, so I would have to get the mag pinned beforeit hit the border. Hmmm.....

Ed

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This is what we have down here in the U.S. the Smg42 clone of the FG42 and yes I have one.

Do you like it? I was in contact with SMG the other day about their replica--I am quite drawn to the .308. 8mm Mauser is a bag to get, but one can still get .308 surplus fairly easily. Yes, it isn't the original calibre, but on the other hand, the gun itself is a replica, so it makes sense to get something which could be shot. Is the quality good? They look nice. Plus, being as how they're manufactured in semi-auto only, there shouldn't be a problem getting one into CAnada I wouldn't think. Is that a replica StG44 next to your FG, or is it an original? Very nice collection!

Ed

[hansellhd]

Hmm, that's a thought. I have a Dewat Czech ZB30J in 7 x 57, but the mags are the same as the 8mm. I will try one of them--if it fit, that would be a good way to go. I was thinking of maybe trying to get one of the repro mags out of the US, but the problem is these stupid stupid STUPID mag size restrictions, so I would have to get the mag pinned beforeit hit the border. Hmmm.....

Ed

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Do you like it? I was in contact with SMG the other day about their replica--I am quite drawn to the .308. 8mm Mauser is a bag to get, but one can still get .308 surplus fairly easily. Yes, it isn't the original calibre, but on the other hand, the gun itself is a replica, so it makes sense to get something which could be shot. Is the quality good? They look nice. Plus, being as how they're manufactured in semi-auto only, there shouldn't be a problem getting one into CAnada I wouldn't think. Is that a replica StG44 next to your FG, or is it an original? Very nice collection!

Ed

Yes I do like the SMG42 but it was having some FTF issues and I had to send it back to SMGGUNS in TX. to work on it, I hope to have it back some time next week.

The other Rifle is a PTR44 SSD clone of the MP44, I have had issues with that rifle as well. First thing is the 2 mags that came with it were defective, then after 2 years the OP-rod/Carrier Broke and I had to replace it with an original from a MP44 all is well now but it was a pain in the A$$ trying to get it repaired.

HDH.

[villiers]

Yes I do like the SMG42 but it was having some FTF issues and I had to send it back to SMGGUNS in TX. to work on it, I hope to have it back some time next week.

The other Rifle is a PTR44 SSD clone of the MP44, I have had issues with that rifle as well. First thing is the 2 mags that came with it were defective, then after 2 years the OP-rod/Carrier Broke and I had to replace it with an original from a MP44 all is well now but it was a pain in the A$$ trying to get it repaired.

HDH.

So is "SMGGUNS in TX" the company that imported a batch from the German makers? Or do they make their own replica?