WWII Garand Weight, Springfield vs. Winchester

[dbarn]

Does anyone know the actual weight of the individual Springfield and Winchester WWII Garand? No doubt the differences were not that much, but regarding Springfield, the weight would have varied some from early to late war as some parts evolved from forged to stamped. Not sure if stocks were contoured differently as well.

Winchester used forged parts throughout production and my experience has been their stocks were beefier or perhaps heavier especially in the forearm and wrist area. Some of their front handguards also appear to be more thick. Perhaps there were periods durings the war that their stocks were also contoured differently ie; early vs. late.

It would appear then that Winchester was the heavier of the two, especially with regard to late WWII, though the difference was minimal. The post war garands in my collection lack the heft of the WWII pieces IMHO and I'm not sure there are any weight differences between them worth noting. Your thoughts?

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[musketjon]

The difference would be so academic that you'd have to put it on a scale to see any difference. Stamped v. milled parts was for time saving, not necessarily material/weight saving.

[Devil Dog]

Any difference in weight would have to come from the trigger guard and the wood. Some wood is more dense. I have seen some very heavy fat Birch stocks.

[dbarn]

Completely agree the weight differences would be minimal. Though however slight, still add up. Milled stock components, forged internals, milled trigger housing, lock bar sights, stock, leather vs. canvas sling. Probably not noticed much unless carried on a 4 mile march.

[goo]

4 miles?
sheesh! musta been rough!
not that i would know. being an airdale, myself.
forced march data...
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https://www.strategyworld.com/milita...612/page3.aspx

[us019255]

Why argue? There have to be a statistical number of Garands owned by the readers of this forum. If people describe, and weigh them I'll do a simple ANOVA and we'll see if we can statistically see weight differences. My 4 are:

all Walnut stocks, with web slings, measured on electronic fish scale.

H&R CMP correct 4756006 10# 13 oz
Springfield, stamped trigger guard 3540797 9# 12 oz
Springfield, milled guard, DCM from ~'86 601212 9# 10 oz

Let's weigh a bunch of Garands.

[latigo 1]

I think it probably varies more from rifle to rifle than from manufacturer to manufacturer. I have a little time to waste today so did some checking. I have a 1.3 mil Winchester with an as new, unsanded stock, and an a HRA unisued Greek return, so both should be as close to original manufactured weight as possible. I don't have a sensitive scale that will weigh a complete Garand, but I can weigh a stock, trigger assembly and sight together, which are the items most likely to make a difference. The Winchester sight, correct Winchester trigger housing assembly, and stock with metal weighed 50.5 oz. The same items on the HRA weighed 53.5 oz. I am just getting silly here, but I bet the Winchester slant cut op rod and short fork one piece follower rod are probably lighter than the HRA parts. Looks like Winchester wins out in the weight department, but who cares. I don't know anyone who could tell 3 ounces, even on a 4 mile march. Oh, I almost forgot, the WRA rear handguard does not have the op rod notch so looks like the HRA comes out a little bit better there, but then the Winchester has a narrow base gas cylinder etc, etc. Just kidding of course.