Opinion

[imarangemaster]

cafdfw's post about getting an Inland stock from Charlie got me thinking. My CMP Inland already has correct Inland barrel, slide, and flat bolt (and parts). The stock is a black walnut GI Type II (cut down) or III with cartouches sanded of, but decent shape.

The trigger housing on the CMP, however, is a SG Saginaw with mixmaster parts, Trigger pull is great, and finish is close to the Inland upper. My Underwood trigger guard assembly, though, is a Type III Inland, that is completely correct for my CMP's serial number range with all Inland parts. The only incorrect part is the "EI" flip safety. The finish is as close to the Inland as the SG trigger group, and trigger pull is almost as good.

Sure , the CMP Inland has a type II Winchester rear sight and post war type III band. Those are part of its history and I really don't plan on changing them out (besides, I prefer the type II adjustable sights). It has it's own CMP charm and history, and that is great. Do you guys think I am ruining it's CMP history by replacing the SG mixmaster trigger group with the correct Inland group and maybe a nice, correct Inland stock? I'd leave the sight an bayonet lug.

Lastly, what is a used Inland (unmarked) type III push safety go for? Anyone want to tradean Inland push for a Winchester EW type III push?

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[frankderrico]

Rangemaster, my opinion change the parts the way you want. You're not selling them anyway. You can always put them back the way they are now.....Frank

[frankderrico]

Forgot to mention, I'll be back in a couple. I'm on my way to pick up a new to me IBM.....Frank

[imarangemaster]

Thanks Frank. You are probably right. The Underwood is a mixmaster anyway as it is, and could have been mixed up after re-importation even more (though I doubt it as it appears a complete Inland trigger housing group was put on it). Probably just pick up an Inland type 3 safety. Used unmarked ones seem fairly cheap.

[painter777]

Forgot to mention, I'll be back in a couple. I'm on my way to pick up a new to me IBM.....Frank

Frank,
Boy......
That RMC B stock didn't have to wait long for a new tenant....Did it?

LMAO,
Charlie-painter777

[Tired Retired]

LMAO,
Charlie-painter777

Dammit Charlie, you are not allowed to laugh yet!

Now, put the barreled receiver down and get back in bed!

[frankderrico]

Frank,
Boy......
That RMC B stock didn't have to wait long for a new tenant....Did it?

LMAO,
Charlie-painter777

Charlie, funny how that happened. I was telling one of my guys about the stock. He told me he was looking at an M4 at a local shop and saw a cool looking carbine with a metal handgaurd. I went to look (you never know right) turns out to be an IBM. I got it right $$$. Glad I could make you chuckle.....Frank

[Tired Retired]

RM, you asked so I will tell you my opinion.... and it is a long-winded opinion....

You have waited a long time to get this carbine and it means alot to you, especially given the financial effort you put into getting it. Of course, you can invest whatever you want into it to make it "right for you". We all know you will probably not sell it and you want it to be the best weapon it can - FOR YOU.

Me? While I have been tempted to move parts around from one carbine to another to match up manufacturers, I actually feel guilty about it. I look at each weapon as its own individual "self" - it has been places and done things that the next carbine didn't. I know this is a foolish comparison, but I wouldn't want to take the shoes (or hair fashion) off of one of my daughters and put it on another daughter just to make one "more right" or to "look better". I can't seem to bring myself to do that to my carbines either.

The only changes I do not feel guilty about is when there is a mechanical improvement or repair - spring need replacing or recoil plate will not sit in a stock correctly. I look at that as going to a doctor to heal something that is broken - to make it shoot or function better.

One example is I felt guilty when I sent one back to CPM to check some bore pitting on a SG NPM. They were trying to make up for the pitting on a SG so THEY changed out the poor condition birch M2 stock for a correct NPM M1 Highwood. I didnt ask for it and it really increased the value of the weapon, but I will always know that this Barvarian Stock (has a serial on the sling cut) did not spend the last 50 years on this metal NPM which probably spent 50 years in Italy. I'm not complaining, it is a big mechanial/appearance/value improvement, but a loss of history...

We all have have our opinions as to what is "right" - change, keep, late features, early features, flip, adjustable, type whatever band, etc. What you have to do is up to YOU... and your repuation, situation and your desire to respect your weapon (vice just make money off of it like some humpers) says alot. No one on this forum is going to be negative to you enjoying your war baby!

Now the big question - when are you going to shoot it???????

Ed

[imarangemaster]

Dang you Ed, you are re-enforcing what my first instinct was, to leave it un-messed with as received. I think if I did swap parts out, I would always know it was "not original as received" I like the daughter analogy! The stock and recoil lug fit is absolutely perfect, it is a GI WW2 stock, so I am not in a hurray to replace it. Dang nabit' You are right. I'll probably put one of my M2 mag catches on it, though, as I like 30 rounders.

NO, I won't sell it. You are right. The Underwood may be expendable, as are most guns. The ones that aren't are ones with special meaning: my CMP Inland, my 29-2 .44 Magnum I got from my cousin, my Glock 19 duty weapon I carried for years, and the 10-22 Ruger my wife gave me for Christmas 36 years ago, and a single shot Universal 101 12 GA I got for Christmas from m y parents in the 1960s.

SIng I am still in a sling for the next 4 weeks after shoulder rebuild, it will be awhile until I could shoot it. My wife did offer to shoot it fore me so I could make sure it works! HAHAHAHA!

[imarangemaster]

ED, your post got me thinking about a guy that was selling tons of "Blue Sky" carbines at gun shows in the late 80s. He was a regular snake oil salesman. He would buy a ton of Blue skies at $119 each, take them apart, and put together "correct" carbines with all Inland, Winchester, etc parts. He wasn't as sophisticated as modern humpers, as he didn't match up correct version of parts, etc. It might be a low serial number Inland with a Type III hammer and type VI trigger housing, etc. He was selling them for about $250 TO $300 as "CORRECT" He sold tons. I felt like I should wash my hands every time after I saw him. I think I would feel like him every time I shoot the Inland if I changed the parts. Ugh!

I felt bad selling $119 Blue Skies for $175!