Another faked stock

[Mike D]

Whoever ends up with this one is in for it - Springfield Pistol Grip Stock 1903A3 03A3 1903 A1 Nice - eBay (item 260706900009 end time Dec-18-10 18:01:13 PST)

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[Calif-Steve]

Honesty, not sure what i am looking at. Real and humped up? Modern and humped up? RA stamp is what? 27 bids???

[Brightonknight]

What makes this a stock that has been made up? Looks Ok at first glance for a 03 A3/A4, maybe refinished. What is wrong the stock or the markings?

[Johnny Peppers]

A better understanding of why there are 27 bids. Oops, now it is 28 bids.

First, Remington never used a C stock on the 03-A3, it does not have the bolt relief cutout for an 03-A4, and the markings are really amateurish.

[JGaynor]

A better understanding of why there are 27 bids. Oops, now it is 28 bids.

First, Remington never used a C stock on the 03-A3, it does not have the bolt relief cutout for an 03-A4, and the markings are really amateurish.

Johnny is right on. Since Remington never used the full pistol grip M1903A1 ("C") stock on the A3 by definition it would not have the inspection and acceptance stamps that were only applied to completed rifles at the factory. Also look like someone used a very hammer on those stamps!!

Regards,

Jim

[Mike D]

You have to think of every letter within its own block, just like a stamp and dye set. Imagine that "J" a "U" and it runs right into the "F"! Not even close to being properly spaced.

[frankderrico]

$350,00 OUCH!!.....Frank

[barbarossa]

One of my gun collecting buddies got all excited at a recent Tulsa Gun Show when he spotted a table load of 1903 Springfield 'S' stocks in nice shape. However, upon closer examination of the depth of the recoil bolts in the stocks or lack of same, he deduced ALL of the stocks had been restamped with correct WWI vintage boxed Springfield inspector cartouches. The stocks were represented as original is my undertstanding. If the faker had been a bit sharper, he would have 'aged' the markings a bit with a good 0000 steel wool rub to better match the stock's overall condition and he'd have made things a whole lot more difficult for a purchaser to tumble to his scam.

This phenomena will continue to be a growing problem for collectors as the fakers will only get better and smarter in their effort to duplicate these markings. It's already a pretty serious problem particularly with M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbines. It's a situation which is not going to go away, so it just means we all got to get a whole lot smarter and informed in our collecting pursuits.

[Calif-Steve]

The seller is "reverendbob 1" ouch, Father. Guys gotta be better informed. I can not tell if this is a real GI WWII stock or a recent production, but I'm guessing Boyd's wood. One of my buddies bought a real WWII Keystone "C" stock at Reno that had been Remington stamped up and down. He paid real money for it, too. When I showed him it was humped up he got mad at me. Oh, well.
PS- I took another look at this item. No where does this seller actually claim this to a be a real USGI Army-issued stock. Re-read his ad. Carefully.

[Johnny Peppers]

PS- I took another look at this item. No where does this seller actually claim this to a be a real USGI Army-issued stock. Re-read his ad. Carefully.

He does say it has "ordinance" marks, and that would only be on original military stocks. But then ordinance is not actually ordnance, so maybe that is an out also.

Stamped with ordinance marks: FJA, RA, Crossed Cannons, P stamp under pistol grip, matching hand guard, see photos for details.