large ordinance wheel

[usmcanglico]

So continuing from my previous post. I stipped my stock down and managed to recover a nice SA EMcF cartouche, P with serif, P without, RIA EB. My cannons did not appear as I hoped, however enough popped out that I could see a circle. I measured it and it is a large wheel cartouche according to duff book. How rare were the large wheel EMcF stocks?

Also all I did was stripped down, no sanding, no fixing dent ding, and started adding BLO. Pics coming once complete...

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[Bob Seijas]

The very best method for bringing up marks is washing soda. You can buy a box of it at any supermarket, make sure you get SODA. Fill the bathtub with about 8" of very hot water and dissolve as much soda as it will take. Immerse the stock and weight it down, leave for an hour. This will leech out every bit of oil and dirt (and also leave the mother of all bathtub rings).

Drain the tub and refill with clean hot water, dunk the stock for another hour. Remove the stock and air dry. It will be a fishbelly gray, and you will be sure you have ruined it. Do not despair. LIGHTLY wipe with 0000 sandpaper to remove any raised hairs, then oil it. The color will come back, dings will be gone, and every mark will be enhanced.

[Rick B]

The very best method for bringing up marks is washing soda. You can buy a box of it at any supermarket, make sure you get SODA. Fill the bathtub with about 8" of very hot water and dissolve as much soda as it will take. Immerse the stock and weight it down, leave for an hour. This will leech out every bit of oil and dirt (and also leave the mother of all bathtub rings).

Drain the tub and refill with clean hot water, dunk the stock for another hour. Remove the stock and air dry. It will be a fishbelly gray, and you will be sure you have ruined it. Do not despair. LIGHTLY wipe with 0000 sandpaper to remove any raised hairs, then oil it. The color will come back, dings will be gone, and every mark will be enhanced.

Bob, When I used to do this I used a small concrete mixing tub which are the correct size and work great with less product and water needed. Plus the wife will not kill you for the ring in the tub. There usually no more than $15.00 . Here is the one I use. Rick B Search Results for concrete mixing tub

[GUTS]

The general rule is that the large wheel was used first and then changed to the small wheel around November 1941 but there are examples of the large wheel as late as March 1942, and a few examples of EMcF marked stocks with the large wheel, so there was a long overlap when both were used. I would say your stock is rather uncommon.

[Rick B]

The general rule is that the large wheel was used first and then changed to the small wheel around November 1941 but there are examples of the large wheel as late as March 1942, and a few examples of EMcF marked stocks with the large wheel, so there was a long overlap when both were used. I would say your stock is rather uncommon.

Absolutely incorrect. The large and small wheel cannons are on both long and short channel rifles. I have proven this time and time again over the past 10 years. Why the books show different may be do to suggestive thinking. Rick B

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Also the overlap is untrue also. The large wheel was used until the end of WWII but not that much after the GHS period. It appears the Large wheel was a certain inspectors stamp and when they went back to the line it was used or maybe when they had extra people working it was used again. Rick B

[Joe W]

Absolutely incorrect. The large and small wheel cannons are on both long and short channel rifles. I have proven this time and time again over the past 10 years. Why the books show different may be do to suggestive thinking. Rick B

---------- Post added at 06:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:20 PM ----------

Also the overlap is untrue also. The large wheel was used until the end of WWII but not that much after the GHS period. It appears the Large wheel was a certain inspectors stamp and when they went back to the line it was used or maybe when they had extra people working it was used again. Rick B

Rick, In "Guts" defense I really don't see that what he said conflicts with what you are saying and can't see what he said as "Absolutely incorrect"

Guts said "Large Wheel was used first. Is this not true ? He then says "changed to Small Wheel" AROUND Nov. 1941. Key word being "around". Is this "Absolutely incorrect" ??

Then he states "but examples of large wheel seen as late as March 1942". You say that Large Wheel was used to the "end of WW11 but not that much after the GHS period. Seems that again he is not "Absolutely incorrect" in his statement, as Large Wheels have been seen as late as March 1942 AND latter, as you say. Also guts made no reference to Long or Short channel stocks.

If I am misreading something, please let me know. And I do thank you for always giving so freely of your time and knowledge.

I must also add that GUTS Avatar is also not absoutely correct but pretty darn close. The shot is just a bit low.

[Rick B]

He is incorrect about large first then small. They were both used side by side. You are misreading it because the long channel was 1st followed by the medium and short channel.

March and later meant EMcF from what I read as it continue until late 1943. My pint is the large wheel went on for all of WWII.

Rick B

[GUTS]

Rick, if all the published literature is wrong and you are right, why don't you write your own book and straighten things out instead of just saying the other authors are wrong.

[latigo 1]

Rick, if all the published literature is wrong and you are right, why don't you write your own book and straighten things out instead of just saying the other authors are wrong.

There are lots of very knowledgable collectors who have the information but not the time or desire to get involved in writing a book. Have you not noticed how sketchy the information about gunstocks is in EVERY Garand book that has been published. Don't you think those authors would have been more complete in thier information if they had been able to study a large quantity of stocks. Rick has probably seen more WWII stocks than any of the authors of any of the Garand books. He has specialized in repairing military gun stocks for years and was instrumental in repairing many of the Wisconsin barn stocks as well as stocks from private parties. He has made copious notes and photographs of what he has seen. He is highly regarded by most, if not all, the Garand researchers. He has time and again gone out of his way to post photos and information on these forums in an effort to share his knowledge. Your sarcasm is uncalled for.

[GUTS]

There are lots of very knowledgable collectors who have the information but not the time or desire to get involved in writing a book. Have you not noticed how sketchy the information about gunstocks is in EVERY Garand book that has been published. Don't you think those authors would have been more complete in thier information if they had been able to study a large quantity of stocks. Rick has probably seen more WWII stocks than any of the authors of any of the Garand books. He has specialized in repairing military gun stocks for years and was instrumental in repairing many of the Wisconsin barn stocks as well as stocks from private parties. He has made copious notes and photographs of what he has seen. He is highly regarded by most, if not all, the Garand researchers. He has time and again gone out of his way to post photos and information on these forums in an effort to share his knowledge. Your sarcasm is uncalled for.

It wasn't sarcasm.