I admit it, I'm confused,

[RJW NZ]

I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm not sure which is called what, can anyone enlighten me on the proper names for these 4 plus one items I've marked on this picture please?

1) The flat area on top the the forend wood behind the 'recoil area'? Is the whole flat area called the draws?
2) The little angled shapes/ramps/recesses on the forend wood where the recoil makes contact?
3) The place/face on the receiver where the recoil makes contact?
4) The shape of the large bump where the recoil makes contact?

and lastly, is there a proper name for those metal plates that the aussies added during ww2 to stop the wood being crushed by recoil?

I'm under the idea that maybe more than one of these are called recoil lugs, which makes it hard to properly describe them to others. If the aussie plates are called 'recoil plate', then that is also the name of the plate at the back of the No1 forend which locks the butt bolt from turning, and now its getting hard to explain which recoil plate or recoil lug I really mean.
I've been trying to find all this out but they seem to have multiple names across the www too.
Many thanks R

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[Son]

At the risk of being first to offer help here... I always refer to the metal bump on the bottom of the receiver that serves to impart recoil into the foreend as the sear lugs. The sear and magazine catch are pivoted from there, so for descriptive purposes I always found that to be easiest to understand.
The draws (a term I don't really like because it seems so abstract) I use to refer to the inside area of the foreend between where the sear lugs contact and the front of the butt socket.
The copper plates fitted to coachwood foreends are called, by the parts book "PLATE, copper, 2 of. For recoil lug bearing" ... copper recoil plates? probably the most accurate translation.
The plate at the rear of the foreend is the tie plate.


just re-reading this... if the copper plates are "for recoil lug bearing" then by extension, what I have called the sear lugs are being referred to as the recoil lugs.. yes?

[smellie]

Thank GAWD!

We're all on the same page now!

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[Peter Laidler]

If I had to answer this question RJ, I'd be taken back to writing answers during our trade tests when only the CORRECT designation would suffice. Little things that could be misconstrued were also frowned on or marked down. Things such as '......it will only rotate so far...' would be sent back with 'what will? and 'how far' and 'why'................. So you'd write it all up again with '...the trigger will only rotate about the trigger axis pin so far because when pulled, the back of the trigger will ultimately close up against the inner rear radius of the trigger guard. When it is pushed forwards, the rear part of the two ribs will contact the trigger bracket on the Mk1/2-3 and 2 rifle or the inside of the butt socket on the Mk1 and 1/1 rifle.

Then that'd come back with 'pulled........ we don't pull the trigger' and 'What do you mean by 'it'.......... So you'd correct the sentence to read 'squeezed and 'the trigger'.

But it taught you to write technical information in an understandable way. Just called for tea so will answer the main question later!!!!!!!!

[Alan de Enfield]

........the trigger axis pin so far because when pulled,.......!!

Surely "so far" should be written as " to a pre-determined point"

...the trigger will only rotate about the trigger axis pin to a pre-determined point, as, when squeezed, the back of the trigger will ultimately close up against the inner rear radius of the trigger guard. When it is pushed forwards, the rear part of the two ribs will contact the trigger bracket on the Mk1/2-3 and 2 rifle or the inside of the butt socket on the Mk1 and 1/1 rifle...

In a previous life I was involved in writing specifications for the NCB, now they were 'picky' !!!!

[Peter Laidler]

Maybe you could complete the answer to RJ's querie then Alan, using those armourers, literary and technical skills that we learned all those years ago

[skiprat]

thanks for that Peter I'm now having flash backs to 1985..... running round Bordon TTA with that drill wombat shell....... as we were told "nothing just happens" something is causing it to happen.......

[RJW NZ]

just re-reading this... if the copper plates are "for recoil lug bearing" then by extension, what I have called the sear lugs are being referred to as the recoil lugs.. yes?

Hi son, Yep, and its this kind of cross over that is getting the fog going,

I've got two sources that call the U plate/butt bolt a recoil plate, but tie plate sounds more correct.

So what I see is
... the large bump on the receiver is either sear lug or recoil lug
...the face on the wood that contacts the sear/recoil lug is the draws? (I looked up many previous posts about repairs to damaged draws and they all referred to repairs to the wood recess sloped shape that contacts the sear/recoil lug)
...the U plate is tie plate.
---there seems a common use for the term draws for the overall rear 2-3 inches of the forend, whether its correct or not all I know is that its confusing when someone also means specific repairs to the recoil lug contact area.

thanks all

[5thBatt]

The plate recessed into the back of the No1 forend is the stock bolt keeper plate, the "tie plate" is the plate on the rear of the No4, No5 & later Ishapore forends

[Son]

Confirmed, 5thBatt... (got off my a$$ and opened a book or three....)

.... from the parts diagrams in IDS's SAIS 4 and SAIS 1, the No4 and No5 have the "Tie Plate", and the No1 has the "Plate" (no further description)
....on page 119 of LES, referring to the list of parts "special to this rifle" (SMLE MkIII) we find "Plate, keeper, stockbolt"
....confirmed further checking LoC entry 13853, under the sublist "Plates" it has "Keeper, stockbolt".