Rochester marked carbine

[Piercesaw]

Anyone ever see a Rochester defense marked Carbine?

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[rcycles45]

Never heard of a rochester marked carbine , Do you have pics ?

[jimb16]

Rochester Defense Corp.? National Postal Meter....50%, Todd Corp....50%. Subcontractor for Sedgley Corp. Ended up reversed. Rochester as prime contractor. April 12, 42 entered into contract to produce carbines. June 10, 42, corporation disolved and merged back into NPM. First 1000 carbines shipped Feb. 43. It is extremely unlikely that any carbines would have been marked Rochester Defence Corp. Not even the tool room models.

[painter777]

I have some notes here....
Don't recall where I got them.
Can't say if their true or not;

The Rochester Defense Corporation was formed by National Postal Meter and the Todd Corporation to obtain defense contracts. However, the military didn't want to entrust a large contract for the manufacture of Carbines to an unknown entity with no employees or manufacturing facilities, so NPM dissolved it and merged it back into the parent company.

I have no information as to whether any US carbines were marked Rochester Defense.
But do know it was common for biz groups to form Corps to get Defense contracts.

Robert Irwin of Grand Rapids Mi, formed a number of Corps with local companys to get contracts. Everything from field desks to wood plain parts.

Charlie-Painter777

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Appreciate the help Jim,

Charlie

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Just grabbed this tid bit from a old post on THR.

Poster states this info came from a NRA booklet on the US Carbine.

Here's part of the text,
Followed by a link,

A Pocket History of the M1 Carbine
by Robert Gibson
Someone wanted some info on M1 Carbine....maybe this will help. Much of it is copied from the NRA's booklet "U.S.Caliber .30 Carbine".Over a span of just 38 months (the first carbines were delivered in June 1942, the last in August 1945) nine primary contractors established manufacturing facilities, tooled up and turned out some six million carbines of all types - M1, M1A1, M2 and T3/M3. The production program was such a success that, excepting Inland and Winchester, the remaining contracts were cancelled in mid-1944. Those two companies completed their carbine production runs in August, 1945.
M1 Carbine Production
Inland Manufacturing Division, G.M.C 2,632,097 43.0%
Winchester Repeating Arms Co 828,059 13.5%
Underwood-Elliot-Fisher Co 545,616 8.9%
* Saginaw Steering Gear Div., G.M.C 517,212 8.5%
** National Postal Meter Co 413,017 6.8%
*** Quality Hardware & Machine Co 359,666 5.9%
International Business Machines Corp (IBM) 346,500 5.7%
Standard Products Co 247,160 4.0%
Rock-Ola Co 228,500 3.7%
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Total: 6,221,220
* Note that Saginaw had two plants in operation, one in Saginaw, MI and one in Grand Rapids, MI. The Grand Rapids facility assumed a contract that had been originally awarded to Irwin-Pedersen Arms Co....I-P had assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government.
** Note that a few early NPM receivers are marked "Rochester", for the Rochester Defense Corp. A very few late receivers are marked "CCC", for Commercial Controls Corp.

IBM made M1 Carbines?! - THR

Don't kill the messenger.........

Charlie-Painter777

[Piercesaw]

Saw one this weekend. Marked Rochester Defense. Checked serial no. == 1,450,051. That makes it the 51st one built.

[ChipS]

Asked for a pic before advised it was a known fake.

[firstflabn]

A well-traveled fake. Covered extensively in Carbine Club NLs in 1991.

[Piercesaw]

Thanks for the info Firstflabn.

[firstflabn]

Glad to help. I thought I had seen a discussion in the NLs (oh boy, was I right!) and went to the new subject index to the NLs. Try it yourself here:

http://www.carbineclub.com/Carbine_C...cles_1-372.pdf

Search for either 'Rochester' or the serial number and you'll see how thoroughly this one has been explored. This one goes from excitement when the first vague info was sent in from a gunshow spotting, to growing doubt when examined at another show, to a firm conclusion of fakery when later an experienced collector noticed some non-kosher physical attributes that made NPM heritage impossible.

[JOHN42768]

See CCNL #180. John