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garrettbragg12 Help me pick apart my old gal? 09-24-2013, 09:52 PM
Joe W Part of the fun is figuring... 09-25-2013, 02:28 PM
SRiverrat11 Hey Garret 09-25-2013, 02:29 PM
Joe W Your right about that... 09-25-2013, 02:45 PM
RCS I have an original but well... 09-26-2013, 09:28 AM
RCS garrettbragg, I will post... 09-26-2013, 12:18 PM
Joe W Scott Duffs Data Sheet for... 09-26-2013, 05:24 PM
TDH Correct parts? Do they fit?... 09-27-2013, 09:37 AM
RCS TDH, You appear to believe... 09-27-2013, 07:10 PM
latigo 1 I guess you don't understand... 09-28-2013, 02:35 PM
browningautorifle I too was army for my whole... 09-27-2013, 07:32 PM
Joe W Pretty basic terminology to a... 09-27-2013, 09:54 PM
TDH Having been born in 1951 I... 09-28-2013, 07:42 AM
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browningautorifle I think that whole series are... 09-29-2013, 09:15 PM
RCS There were original M1 rifles... 09-29-2013, 09:38 PM
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    Help me pick apart my old gal?

    Since I have my rifle torn apart for yearly cleaning, and am waiting on the stock to come back to me, I figured I'd see what parts are "Correct" for my rifle, and which ones I'd have to replace. Can you guys take a look and lemme know? If one isn't correct, tell me what would be?

    The receiver is a
    2, 750, 1XX which should put her around December of '44. I know for sure she was rebarreled in 52.

    The bolt and uncut oprod seem correct. The hammer seems to be Winchester. Other than that I am lost! Lemme know if y'all need better pictures of anything!

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    M1icon/M3 Carbine: late '44 Inland
    M1 Garand: late '44 Springfield

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    M1/M3 Carbine: late '44 Inland
    M1 Garand: late '44 Springfield
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    Part of the fun is figuring this stuff out on your own. Get a good book such as Scott Duffs "The M1icon Garand: World War ll" and go at it. In this book you will find charts that describe the correct parts for the various years of manufacture. You will also find, on page 232, a data sheet for rifle # 2720806. All the parts on this rifle would be correct for your rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrettbragg12 View Post
    Since I have my rifle torn apart for yearly cleaning, and am waiting on the stock to come back to me, I figured I'd see what parts are "Correct" for my rifle, and which ones I'd have to replace. Can you guys take a look and lemme know? If one isn't correct, tell me what would be?



    Hey Garrettbragg. I have a 3,26x,XXX and its Nov. 44 so I'm not sure where you're getting you're production dates. Try Scott Duff's red M1icon Garland book. He's one of the most knowledgeable on the M1.











    The receiver is a
    2, 750, 1XX which should put her around December of '44. I know for sure she was rebarreled in 52.

    The bolt and uncut oprod seem correct. The hammer seems to be Winchester. Other than that I am lost! Lemme know if y'all need better pictures of anything!

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    M1/M3 Carbine: late '44 Inland
    M1 Garand: late '44 Springfield

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    M1/M3 Carbine: late '44 Inland
    M1 Garand: late '44 Springfield
    Hey Garret

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    Your right about that SRiverrat11, more like Apr. 1944, per Scott Duff.
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    I have an original but well used SA 2.77 million rifle with an April 1944 barrel. This rifle came out of an estate sale in a rual area, only other weapons were a 22 rim fire and a shotgun

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    garrettbragg, I will post the data from my April 1944 rifle for you, unable to post any additional photos as I am challenged in removing the old ones and only use the photos in storage.
    serial number 2770090 D 28291 32 0 65 B <> without anneal 60% original color
    bolt D28287-12SA S-A1<>
    barrel (side) 1SA 4 44 top D35448-28-Y-67-A-M not chromed at gas port bright bore TE 5.0
    gas cyl wide base S on top lock screw single slot lock round top
    rear sight Type 2 lock bar knurled knobs
    follower rev 12 bullet guide forged op catch late follower arm late follower rod long fork clip latch round front
    trigger housing rev 12 trigger guard milled hammer rev 5 safety SA_11
    op rod D35382 9 SA no relief cut
    stock SA GAW faint cartouche rear handguard has relief cut, rear band gray color
    butt plate Late WW2 checkering pattern long screw blue without step

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    Scott Duffs Data Sheet for 2720806 reads the same as the Apr. 44 that RCS posted data on. Only difference is, as this rifle is about 1 month earlier, the barrel markings are 1-SA-3-44. Also the lock screw is of the poppet valve type, though I believe either could be correct for the period. RCS can answer this for sure.
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    I believe Scott Duff stated that both types of lock screws were used throughout the war. When the grenade launcher was first issued, the special lock screw was also issued (valve type) with it.

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    Correct parts? Do they fit? Do they function properly? When you squeeze the trigger does the rifle go bang, eject the case, chamber a new round and lock up? It's the correct part!
    If you find a rifle out there today with all the (correct) numbered parts it in all probability is still incorrect because it is not arsenal original. Arsenal original would be somewhat of a miracle as after the first G.I. cleaning party they wouldn't be.
    Scenerio of a typical G.I. party. Rifles issued. Rifles stripped and trigger groups and other parts put in bucket of solvent to soften and remove cosmolineicon (with a lot of elbow grease). The chance of getting the same parts back in your rifle that you took out with the parts of a dozen or more rifles in the same bucket are slim to none.

    Does it fit and function? It's the right part.

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    TDH, You appear to believe that all or most M1icon rifles started losing their originally after the first "GI cleaning party" ? As a company armor, I never saw a GI cleaning party, most men were fussy about who cleaned their rifle. The rifles issued to the motor pool and cooks etc did not see the GI party either, because they were put away clean to begin with.
    Officers were issued M1 rifles but almost never used their rifle, the unit armorer looked after these rifles. Even in basic training I never saw a GI cleaning party.

    Rifles lost their originally most of the time by rebuilds and unit armors replacing parts and I am sure there were was many a GI cleaning party too. Men use to take the M1 rifle apart blindfolded and put it back together again but little is said about that now on the forums

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