Well used No. 4 T

[Ridolpho]

Happy New Year everyone! Thought I'd post a few shots of my '43 BSA No. 4 T which I've had for about two years. Previous owner had it for 30+ years and may have bought it direct from an importer. He was having some trouble selling it as it lacks many of the "standard" marks: no "T" on left side, no "S" on cutoff boss. As received, it only displayed a "TR" on left cheek and a sanded "S51" under wrist of butt. No "D6E" stamp in normal spot but I could see a faint hint of something under the thick black paint adjoining the "D7E" on the right. A touch of paint stripper revealed a rather poorly stamped apparent "D6E" on the right flat. It came with a genuine bracket (numbered to this and two previous rifles) and I think I can see two earlier scope serials on the wrist in addition to the number of the Mark 3 currently residing on it. All this maybe speaks to wartime attrition of equipment as there is a (Maltby?) FTR indicated and the gun came with a '45 dated 5 groove barrel which is shiney and new looking. The previous owner didn't want to shoot out the 5 groove barrel and replaced it with an equally newish 2 groover and she will shoot 1.5 MOA groups all day (I have the '45 barrel). This is largely due to the crisp and highly functional Mk 3 scope which was serviced by Warren. I love the well worn look and implied service history- what do you guys think?

Ridolpho

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[Brian Dick]

Looks nice and honest to me but I can't imagine pulling and replacing the perfect, original barrel from it's last true FTR. You're lucky it didn't cause problems because fitting barrels for No.4T rifles is a very touchy select fit process. The scopes were collimated and a simple barrel change could change everything. Too weird!

[Ridolpho]

Brian: Yes, I really wish he had left the post FTR barrel on but (and I've met this fellow face to face) he was fairly heavily into range shooting and seemed concerned about preserving the 5 groover. The barrel swap seems to have been well done and the bracket (by fluke?)remains very well collimated to the bore. Had to drill out a ruined clamp screw on the bracket and while the scope was off I slapped a centered test scope in and it bore-sighted nearly perfectly.

Ridolpho

[Gil Boyd]

Ridolpho,
Looks sound to me mate as well, and certainly looks the genuine part in well used wood and metalwork. As has been said before many times on the site, if most but not all of the stamps are there, it invariably is OK.
Is the S showing stamped on the forward position of the ejection port, right side of the rifle as the scuffed what looks like a big W may be obscuring it?

[Ridolpho]

Gil9713: I can't see any hint of it but the paint is very thick there. Perhaps some more paint stripper.

Ridolpho

[Peter Laidler]

If your original tele number was 8284 on rifle AF0806, here's another similar combination. 8377 Originally fitted to No4T AG-3485. Now a DP L59A1

Brian, you ain't wrong about barrel changes. About a year ago I was cajoled into changing a totally shot out L42 barrel for a not-too-bad replacement L39 barrel. Didn't collimate very well at all so spend ages centring telescope and re-fitting pads and bracket in order to collimate and all that stuff. Then a few months ago the person, a friend of a friend....., you know the sort of thing said that it was all over the place. So it came here again and he was right! It WAS all out of collimation and they'd even xxxxxd about with the telescope to try to sort it out.

Then it dawned on me................ The barrel that I'd replaced wasn't the one that was on there NOW! Oh, no....... The person had used THAT barrel somewhere else and ....., anyway. I finally got to the bottom of it, told him what'd happened, picked up the now totally stripped barrel and body, tele from bracket and told him to take it to the person who'd changed the barrel and left the painted-over graunch marks that he intimated were left by me.

Yep, barrel changes on No4T's and some L42's not to be undertaken lightly in my opinion, having done one or two

[Brian Dick]

A real British FTR will have Suncorite 259 paint on it. I wouldn't strip it, just leave it alone as original. Paint may be obscuring the finish 'T" mark too but either way, it's right as rain.

[Surpmil]

Interesting that the bolt knob has a flat and no hole. A replacement at FTR or one brought in from another factory to make up a temporary short-fall at M47?

The way the aperture has been removed from the backsight may indicate that it is someone's replacement also.

Overall a very genuine looking rifle with obvious history. In many ways more interesting than a pristine rifle that spent its life in stores.

[Ridolpho]

Surpmil: A couple of additional shots of the bolt. It is numbered to match the rifle but I've always assumed its an FTR replacement. The AF0806 appears to have been struck twice. I've also shown a shot of the underside of the front of this No.4 Trials or early type forend. Thanks.

Ridolpho

[Surpmil]

Surpmil: A couple of additional shots of the bolt. It is numbered to match the rifle but I've always assumed its an FTR replacement. The AF0806 appears to have been struck twice. I've also shown a shot of the underside of the front of this No.4 Trials or early type forend. Thanks.

Ridolpho

Is it possible that the number on the bolt was electro-penciled at FTR and then someone later decided they wanted something more "definite" than that and so over-stamped it?