'In the Wrap' values?

[Lashenden]

As the price of milsurps here in the UK continues to rise, I thought I'd ask what members consider the appropriate price range for an unissued no4 mk II? As a guide for those not fortunate enough to live here, a rough 4/1* is currently about £350, and a tidy example of any version of the No4 will be around £450-£500. It's still possible to find them cheaper, but increasingly rare.

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[Robert303]

The last ones I saw at Bisley were £750 and that was 2 years ago. The dealer who had them said that with the exchange rate going against the pound at the time replacements would be about £850 which he was not prepared to charge. The dealer in question is one of the 'Gentlemen' in the trade of which there see to be fewer every year. I got a very nice Siamese Rama VI from him a few years ago.

[CINDERS]

$2,500AU in Aus off Used guns if your willing to pay the price Sniper T's from $4 - $7K AU for T's $10K AU for a HT Mk III and L42 complete transit case and all else just missing the bottle and brush but otherwise complete $13K AU do not know if he sold it

[Badger]

I'm not sure about current values, but with thanks to Rob "Trebor" Reed, here's an MKL entry that talks about these..

Still wrapped 1955 No.4 Mk2 Enfield Rifle (Mfg by Fazakerley) (click here) .....

Regards,
Doug

[newcastle]

They have been going on gunbroker for $1100 + in the USA. I have seen one go for $1600+ one time, and a few at $1500 or so. As Peter says - they are not making them anymore. I have put one of mine for sale at $1300 or so locally. I don't want/ need to sell it necessarily but if someone wants to pay that then it's what the market holds.

[CINDERS]

From used guns in AU still in the wrapping..........current as of 22.02.2014
Apart from proof rounds and sighting rounds and hopefully it has not been disturbed in its life could we suppose this weapon to be unfired in anger or pleasure am I limbing it here.

[Lee Enfield]

From used guns in AU still in the wrapping..........current as of 22.02.2014
Apart from proof rounds and sighting rounds and hopefully it has not been disturbed in its life could we suppose this weapon to be unfired in anger or pleasure am I limbing it here.

for that price I will start re-wrapping all those ones that the (imnsho) nsbp unwrapped, fired their 2 shots, de-virginizing them and then leaned back into the corner to collect dust until they try to sell them and recoup the $450 (premium over previously fired guns) they wasted by un-wrapping them.

[RobD]

Lashended, as you know, it will always be unwrapped in the Uk so it can go through proof. So what you will get is a little-fired or almost unfired No 4 Mk 2. (Incidentally, if you are looking to buy an excellent No4 Mk2 with very few rounds fired through it, PM me, as I know of an RFD in Essex who has one for sale - it used to be mine but I needed a slot on my FAC).

[Alan de Enfield]

, it will always be unwrapped in the Uk so it can go through proof. .

It is quite legal to own a non-proofed (prooved) firearm in the UK, you cannot buy one and you cannot sell one but you can be given (or give) one.

Edit to add - Info from the 2013 Home Office Guidance

24.3 The proving of firearms is governed by the Gun Barrel Proof Acts of 1868, 1950 and 1978 (However, note that much of the 1950 Act was repealed in 1996 by SI 1996/1576).
Under these Acts it is:

(a) an offence to sell, exchange, expose or keep for sale, or export, or keep for exportation, or to attempt to sell, exchange or export, or to pawn or pledge, or attempt to pawn or pledge, or to take in pawn or pledge, an arm, the barrels of which are not duly proved and marked as proved (section 108 and 109 of the 1868 Act);

(b) an offence to import into the United Kingdom small arms, the barrels of which are not duly proved and marked as proved, without giving notice in writing within seven days to either the London or Birmingham Proof House or to send such imported arms, within twenty-eight days of their arrival in the United Kingdom, to be proved at either the London or Birmingham Proof House (Section 122 of the 1868 Act).

This does not apply to any small arm imported by any person for their own personal use whilst it is in their possession. In such a case, the proof is the responsibility of the possessor.

[Peter Laidler]

I have got one and it ain't proofed Rob..... And I refused to unwrap it for the number check too. I told them that if the documentation attached to it and the customs paperwork was good enough for the Customs, then it was good enough for anyone else..........