P14 Sniper

[Ridolpho]

Anyone have any thoughts on the P14*T currently for sale on the Joe Salter website? I'd sure love to own one but it looks like wheat will have to hit $30/bushel before I can afford one. I'm curious to see if it's possible to verify that the one for sale is genuine as opposed to a replica.

Ridolpho

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[Badger]

How about a link to save us all a lot of time ...

British No. 3 Mk. I* (T) Sniper Rifle | JoeSalter.com

Check the MKL and compare it against the example there...

No.3 MkI* (T) Rifle - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T) Sniper Rifle)
(Manufactured by Winchester - Serial #W196128)
c/w Model 1918 (3x) Scope (Mfg by Periscopic Prism Co. Ltd.)
c/w 1908 Web Pattern sling (Mfg in 1913 by M.E. Co.)

Regards,
Doug

[Badger]

Saved sales advertisment information for posterity and future member research ...

British No. 3 Mk. I* (T) Sniper Rifle | JoeSalter.com

Item #25178
British No. 3 Mk. I* (T) Sniper Rifle

Price: $5,995.00 U.S.
Maker: Winchester
Model: P-14
Caliber: .303

Description: Serial #W241142, .303 British, 26” barrel with a very good bore that has light-moderate freckling within the grooves. This is a Winchester-made Pattern 1914 rifle with the fine adjustment elevation screw rear sight and was one of 2000 such rifles earmarked for conversion to sniper configuration in 1918 via the removal of the volley sights (only the forend plate is still present) and installation of a Pattern 1918 scope. The rifle has retained 90% plus of an overall World War II phosphate finish with slight silvering at the muzzle as well as along some of the high and projecting edges. The rifle has matching numbers on the receiver and bolt while the scope, which is installed on correct original claw mounts with offset rear base, is numbered 80 higher (241222). The scope itself has a post and line reticle with crystal clear optics, crisp “PERISCOPIC PRISM CO Ltd/MAKERS LONDON” marking, and the flaked remnants of the original dark green painted finish. The scope sits securely in its mounts although the release lever on the back mount is a trifle loose. The walnut stock with matching handguard is in fine condition with legible British markings on the right side of the butt: “IE* (in circle)/PATT. 14”; and minor handling marks and small surface blemishes scattered about the added military oil finish. An expertly done armory repair is present at the butt. These excellent rifles were built too late to see service during the First World War but some were used during the Second World War by the Australians and also by Ireland postwar (Irish contract guns are the most common but were equipped with BSA scopes). It is highly unusual to find a British marked No. 3 Mk. I* (T) in any condition and this example rates very good-near fine overall. {“British Empire Sniper Rifles, S.A.I.S. No. 22” by Ian Skennerton; 2008} FFL or C&R

[Promo]

Scope is original, front scope block is replacement, rear scope block aswell, bolt is renumbered.

[Salt Flat]

I would be skeptical. The patina on the scope shows more weathering and use than the rifle and the scope mounting provisions. Salt Flat

[Badger]

Besides what the guys above have pointed out, it's a mix-master with a combination of Eddystone butt (stock as well?) and Winchester components ...

There's no rifle serial number properly stamped on the rear sight protector (right side) as there should be, or on the underside of the fore-stock ahead of the magazine plate. The serial number on the bolt handle is scribed, not stamped as it should be? Also, there's no Mk1* conversion * stamped on the bolt handle either? Check the MKL example for comparisons..

I'd like to see the top wood removed and check the serial number and other markings on the barrel. I'd also like to see the rear sight flipped up and pics of it's underside to see if it has Winchester W markings.

Anyway, just my opinion for what it's worth, but this is not one of the original 2,001 conversions....

$6,000 U.S. ..... Caveat Emptor ...

Regards,
Doug

[TonyE]

Besides what the guys above have pointed out, it's a mix-master with a combination of Eddystone butt (stock as well?) and Winchester components ...

It is a P.14. They have one piece stocks!

Regards
TonyE

[Badger]

It is a P.14. They have one piece stocks!

Regards
TonyE

Doh !!

Thank you Tony....

My mind was wandering elsewhere ...

Regards,
Doug

[Promo]

Enfield scope mounts

There you go for the scope mount which is present on this rifle.

[jmoore]

Enfield scope mounts

There you go for the scope mount which is present on this rifle.

The fourth one down, as it appears on this posting date.