Can You Help re 7.62 No4T

[Robert303]

A friend of mine has come back into shooting after a 20 year break. He is of course dead keen to buy something as he has a nice shiny BLANK FAC! Originally he as after a 7.62 SMLE but has seen this. Enfield No4 7.62 mm Rifles For Sale in Gloucestershire - GS5148109 | GunStar

Does anyone know anything about it, Is the price reasonable? I know what I think as I have a D.I.Y No4T Repro with original scope but I'd value other opinions.

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[Beerhunter]

I would not buy it. It is something that someone has cobbled together. It is not a No.4T nor is it a an L42 - it is neither fish nor foul.

It is not collectable because it isn't "real" and it would be no use as a sporting rifle because it is too heavy.

The No.32 is probably worth more than the rifle but together they are not worth two grand - or anything like it.

[bigduke6]

It is something that someone has cobbled together.

I wouldn't say cobbled together, as I would say someone has put some time into it, plus the scope has been "refurbed" by Peter, to cobble a rifle together I wouldn't expect a real No32 and what I think is a DRP bracket or maybe a real one ??

Certainly not built to rip anyone off either in my opinion, the price well..... all prices are negotiable.

Totally agree regarding value of the scope and bracket and also the mag (if its a genuine one)

Price breakdown,

Scope and Bracket not much if any change from £1000-£1200

No4 rifle in 7.62mm £400 + or -

Pads £ 40

7.62mm mag £ 50- 70 +

Cost of setting the pads up and bracket if done correct ???

I,ve got no part in the sale or know the seller and I wouldn't pay that price myself but with the price breakdown and the Gunsmiths time your not far off the sale price. If your mates still looking Robert I,m selling off some bits etc PM me.

[Beerhunter]

I wouldn't pay that price myself but with the price breakdown and the Gunsmiths time your not far off the sale price.

d
There's the rub. The cost of the job has no bearing on what the rifle is worth afterwards.

A friend of mine, a car dealer, was "offered" a Toyota Celica with that had had a body kit and other accessories fitted. The seller added the top price of a Toyota Celica of that year to the cost of the work told my friend that was all he wanted for the car - that is to say what he had put into it. My friend pointed out that not only was the car not worth that amount but, due to the customising, the car wa, as far as he was concerted unsaleable, and so he was not interested in it at any price.

[bigduke6]

There's the rub. The cost of the job has no bearing on what the rifle is worth afterwards.

Understand that BH, I was just breaking the price down and if anyone was going to build one up it gives the rough cost, I would say I,ve priced the scope/bracket low and looking at No4's on Guntrader and Gunstar probably underpriced the rifle ??

The other thing here is if Peter has the history of the scope then thats another tick in the box, (like buying a car with service history)

I,m guessing Its probably been range tested also, so maybe all the faults if any have been Ironed out too........??

[PrinzEugen]

Yes indeed beery - once you have something fixed up you feel it 'owes' you a certain amount... Probably to be in reality only repaid by the use you get out of it yourself.

d
There's the rub. The cost of the job has no bearing on what the rifle is worth afterwards.

A friend of mine, a car dealer, was "offered" a Toyota Celica with that had had a body kit and other accessories fitted. The seller added the top price of a Toyota Celica of that year to the cost of the work told my friend that was all he wanted for the car - that is to say what he had put into it. My friend pointed out that not only was the car not worth that amount but, due to the customising, the car wa, as far as he was concerted unsaleable, and so he was not interested in it at any price.

[Robert303]

Hello.
Thanks to all who have commented. My friend is having a look at the rifle. My next question is can anyone remember the website of the NZ dealer that had a load of No32 scopes advertised a few months ago? I have tried a 'Search' but no joy so far.

[enfield303t]

Would I pay that for it as that works out to around $3,800.00 Canadian, no however if it shoots as good as it looks it is a pretty nice gun. For someone looking for a period gun in a modern caliber it might be a decent acquisition.

Maybe a little expensive however considering all that went into it and the scope has been rebuilt by Peter Laidler not a rip off at all.

[Peter Laidler]

I was just about to comment '........how I hate this blurb that mentions me' and agree with the previous knockers. But then I looked at the rifle. The scope and bracket are original, as is the magazine.

But Beery, your comparison isn't comparing like with like. This rifle ain't been customised - or made worthless - depending on your point of view of course - but by the look of it, has been enhanced into a repop of something we all aspire to own WITHOUT THE GRIEF of a) doing it and b) the expense of an original and c) it's perfectly useable. It ain't original of course but there again, 50% of the 1963-70 Mini Cooper S's on the road ain't either!

No connection with it at all except my name added to the scope - which I hate with a vengeance! Anyone see the scope number and I'll see what my old records say

[enfield303t]

I was just about to comment '........how I hate this blurb that mentions me' and agree with the previous knockers. But then I looked at the rifle. The scope and bracket are original, as is the magazine.

But Beery, your comparison isn't comparing like with like. This rifle ain't been customised - or made worthless - depending on your point of view of course - but by the look of it, has been enhanced into a repop of something we all aspire to own WITHOUT THE GRIEF of a) doing it and b) the expense of an original and c) it's perfectly useable. It ain't original of course but there again, 50% of the 1963-70 Mini Cooper S's on the road ain't either!

No connection with it at all except my name added to the scope - which I hate with a vengeance! Anyone see the scope number and I'll see what my old records say

Peter, I understand your dislike of your name being used however from what I have seen you have a reputation of doing excellent work which means to a buyer confidence in what is being sold.

I have a friend who is a excellent motorcycle mechanic, he is well known and his love of Harley's and the ability to fix them properly. Do I think a Harley is a good bike, no however IF I was interested in one and he did the rebuild it would make a huge difference in my decision to buy it.

I imagine there are a fair amount of people who are capable of rebuilding a scope however there are two or three that are known for doing it right, you happen to be one of them. If I was selling a scope you rebuilt of course I would mention that hoping the prospective buy knew of your reputation.