AK&S no32 mk3 scope

[tedd]

Hello all,
My first post!
Great forum esp Knowledge Library.
My rifle is a Parker Hale No4 MK2 with a Ball Burnished Barrel and is a very good shooter.
I need help with a AK&S no32 mk3 scope serial number 16947, its mount has small dimples in the centre of the knurled attachment bolts and no number on mount apart from the clamp matching numbers.

Tedd

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[Roger Payne]

Hello Tedd,
Welcome to the forum. Are you hoping to fit the scope to your rifle, or are you just interested in knowing more about your scope & bracket out of general curiosity? Photo's would help a great deal here, but your scope is a very early Mk3 & I suspect it will be 1944 dated. Are there any other markings on your scope mount such as N92 (near the front) or JG or KD (on the side approximately in the middle)? If there is no rifle serial on the mount then it has either been cleaned off or the scope & mount left military service not long after WW2.

Photo's would no doubt prompt a lot more comments.

Best.

[Peter Laidler]

The rifle number on the bracket was not a given, even into the L42/L1A1 era. Generally speaking we would only bother to number the bracket if the telescope was taken out of it. Not while it was still in the bracket because that was asking for trouble!!!!! That is because at that very point of removing the tele from the bracket, the numerical line between THAT rifle and THAT bracket was lost. And in the real world, it was the BRACKET that was matched to the rifle.

I am aware of telescope 16947

[Seaforth72]

Question for Peter Laidler - If I understand you correctly, a complete No. 4 MK. I (T) sniper equipment where everything matches EXCEPT the scope bracket could be quite correct as released back into service by an armourer. The armourer would not try to cancel an old rifle serial number on the bracket or stamp a new rifle serial number onto it unless there was a reason the remove the scope from the bracket.
i.e.
* Rifle serial number and bolt serial number match.
* Scope serial number matches scope serial number on small of grip
* No 8 Case markings match rifle serial number and scope serial number
BUT
* Scope bracket has a serial number of another rifle or no serial number.
* Rifle serial number (less letter prefix) stamped on ledge of top of butt, hidden when butt is installed into the socket.


[QUOTE=Peter Laidler;341438]The rifle number on the bracket was not a given, even into the L42/L1A1 era. Generally speaking we would only bother to number the bracket if the telescope was taken out of it. Not while it was still in the bracket because that was asking for trouble!!!!! That is because at that very point or removing the tele from the bracket, the numerical line between THAT rifle and THAT bracket was lost. And in the real world, it was the BRACKET that was matched to the rifle. ...

[tedd]

Hello,
There are no marking on the mount apart from clamp stamping (17K and 18K), date is 1944.
No i am not going to mount it on my Parker Hale, i think i would be better to find a 1944 no4 mk1 for mounting as mk2s never had no32 scopes fitted. A "T" rifle would be even better, even a "T" receiver to build a new rifle on would do!!
Tedd

[bigduke6]

A "T" rifle would be even better, even a "T" receiver to build a new rifle on would do!!

Your probably not the only one Tedd who is looking for the remains or a reasonable priced No4 T, patience and keep your ear to the ground, I started out with the scopes first.... and had a long wait but worth it in the end, only problem is once one arrives you may start looking for an L42, then maybe a WW1 SMLE Sniper..... its a vicious circle.


Added later: Didn't see Rogers post regarding Patience but is key regarding the search..

[Roger Payne]

Scopeless 4T's are out there, you just have to be a little patient........(& I'll leave the subject of collimating the bracket to pads to Peter!!).......

[CINDERS]

There was a scopeless No 4 on Guns International last week for $1,295.oo/US if I was not in Aussie I would have snapped it up make no mistake as it would take a year to get here with all the poohba importation laws. Heres the link World War II British No. 4 (T) Sniper Rifle

[vintage hunter]

Saw this one on some other site not too long ago, can't recall where though. In light of the problems it has the price seems a bit steep to me.

[CINDERS]

Unless I have missed something somewhere VH I thought it was reasonably priced flaking suncorite and a mismatched bolt are no big deal as it will always be a mismatch who ever buys it put that against the cost of a scoped T and really it is reasonably priced and they do offer a money back so that's not to bad. Plus a few dints in the wood is no biggy my T has a few dints and bumps who cares. I would like to see a pic of under the wrist to see if it has the S51 stamp or was this only done after the armourer had fitted the bracket and scope that was to remain with the rifle.TIA