Some down under stuff

[CINDERS]

Looks pretty good produced by Lithgow looks like an AUG but it goes very well indeed wonder if they will get a 308 version it may only be a 5.56 but does not do to bad a performance at the 1/2 size target at 600 yds. Muffet have you had anything to do with these or know of them field tested!

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[Paul S.]

Rumour has it that a civilian version may make it on to the US market. We will see.

[muffett.2008]

Sorry Cinders, my love affair with Lithgow ceased when the plastic fantastics came on the scene.

[BushyFromOz]

Sorry Cinders, my love affair with Lithgow ceased when the plastic fantastics came on the scene.

Blame Colt for not letting the M4 be licence built in Australia then =D

[Flying10uk]

Sorry Cinders, my love affair with Lithgow ceased when the plastic fantastics came on the scene.

I don't think that there is anything wrong with using plastics in the construction of modern firearms, especially for the furniture. It is a durable, flexible and corrosion resistant material and if the part is carefully designed it should be long lasting. While plastic furniture would probably look odd on an historic firearm such as a Springfield 1903 equally wood furniture wood look odd attached to the firearm in post 1.

[Aussie48]

Lets face facts guys normal Australian firearms owners won't be able to buy them here so I would suggest that they are targeted for the USA market, both in semi and full auto modes.

Dick

[CINDERS]

Yes there are to many of us loonies here according to our Govt that would want something like that, why don't they call all car drivers lunatics I mean how many people die in them and are run over by them yes us licensed firearm holders well we are just plain naughty........................................Not get enjoyment out of shooting one and owning it anyway sorry for digressing I just thought it was not a bad effort and seemed fairly simple in its operating features for the average soldier or crunchie proof as Peter L would put it

[mrclark303]

I think Muffett had the F88 firmly in his sights when he mentioned Plastic Fantastics F10.

Not generally well received back in the late 1980's I believe...

It's interesting, last year while at the range a guy came over for a chat carrying a civilian Aug.

Never having handled the type before and being very used to my L1A1's, I t did give me an insight (though as civilian target shooter) as to what it must have been like to hand in your L1 and pick up an F88 for the first time...

Not to my taste I have to say, 5.56mm just seems a bit of a damp sqib, that said, perhaps I would feel different if I had to haul an L1 around in the field though!

[martins8589]

They were the best thing since sliced bread for general service use. A clerk or cook etc could now hit the target with the low power donut sight and qualify. With the SLR marksmanship principals were important. With the Steyer all you had to do was put the target in the circle and you could hit the target easy from 1-300m. And no recoil punch in the face like the SLR.

[CINDERS]

There was a report done some time ago about the effectiveness of the 5.56 against certain hard & soft targets in Afghanistan and in the words of the soldiers that used the weapon including the 9mm they felt the round wanting as there were cases of multiple hits on enemy combatants and not putting them down. It also lacked penetration on the mud huts according to this report what the soldiers felt was the 7.62 Nato round was adequate for the job the 45ACP was a better choice than the 9mm the 50 BMG was still the Ma Deuce of the battle field in their opinion.

If clerks and cooks have to grab a rifle then the front is in dire straights sort of like the Ardennes in WWII