Enfield police sniper rifles

[Yorkshirechris]

Hi all,

Just joined after reading the posts on these rifles, it seems the thread on the numbers list is no longer open but is a up to date list available ?
To add I have the Pecar scope 533 from the Sheffield police rifle.

Regards. Chris.

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[bigduke6]

Chris, Welcome to Milsurps, one thing I would point out, Police are not Snipers they are Marksmen.......

[Yorkshirechris]

Chris, Welcome to Milsurps, one thing I would point out, Police are not Snipers they are Marksmen.......

Hi, thanks for the "head up" just a newbe trying to work it out !,

Regards. Chris.

[Badger]

it seems the thread on the numbers list is no longer open but is a up to date list available

Not sure what you mean by "no longer open"..

If you're referring to this "sticky" thread, it is open for reading and posting..

Service for L42A1, Enforcer, Envoy and L39A1 Owners

Regards,
Doug

ps: please don't post the same question in multiple forums, as it wastes time and gets very confusing for people trying to help you.. thanks..

[Peter Laidler]

I agree with Big Duke, thread 2. I would categorise the Police as good shots as opposed to marksmen.

[muffett.2008]

I'd probably question the "good shot" bit too

[enfield303t]

I'd probably question the "good shot" bit too

I have spent range time with a three muni. police "snipers". All three were exceptional shots and I am very critical about using the word exceptional. I do know there are many police that believe they are good shots but in reality stink at best, even if they are on a tactical team.

One I shot with is IMO a exceptional police officer and was the only one in his class to pass with 100% at Quantico which included a crawl to within 100 yards of the target to take "the shot". The crawl across the field was being observed by two spotters who would call to instructors in the field attempting to locate the shooter, they failed spotting one shooter, one of the guys I shot with.

The issue with most is the lack of trigger time on a very regular basis. If you don't spend countless hours practicing you will never be that good. The three I shot with practice a inordinate amount and it showed.

A person must also be in good physical condition, a overweight out of shape cop will NEVER be very good, let alone exceptional.

PS

Most police forces want the "shot" to be taken at 100 yards of less, the military expects a sniper to be able to shoot at much greater distances.

[GeeRam]

I'd probably question the "good shot" bit too

The copper that taught me to shoot as a teenager was pretty good, he was one of the original cadre of Met.Police D11 instructors trained by the British Army, and one of the first to deploy with an Enforcer at the Balcombe Street siege in 1975, about 6 months before I started to learn to shoot at the small-bore rifle club that he helped run for service and ex-service Met.Police and their families.

[Flying10uk]

Does anyone know if the U.K. Police ever used the L.E. No4 mk2 service rifle in standard form, i.e. with no scope fitted and no provision for fitting one, at any time in history, please?

[Gil Boyd]

Flying10uk,

With the title of a "bloody good shot" when I left the Army, and joined the civvy Police and had to reduce my title to what is commonly known as only a "good shot", I can confirm they certainly did hold No4's well before my time of joining. The Enforcer was the only scoped rifle in use under Home Office Guidelines.

Right the way through and after WW2, the No4 rifle was the weapon of choice in the UK by many Forces for the longer reach operations, there was very little else with its proven track record for reliability and accuracy, and ammunition at .303 was plentiful. To the best of my knowledge no scopes were fitted in the photographs I have seen in various Police Firearms units of the time, and if they did it was a local thing.

Bear in mind many, what we term as "Police Firearms Units" today were not formed until the very late 60's and early seventies due primarily to answer the NI troubles on mainland UK, and the sieges that followed. It was this era that pushed the moves to equip Forces with a replacement rifle...........enter the Enforcer.......a Police Marksmans rifle who was already a good established shot from previous Army service in the main, we did have the odd Royal Marine