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    ZAMAK/MAZAK butt plactes on the #4T

    A question has been asked about the use of brass butt plates verse ZAMAK/mazakicon butt plates on the #4T war time rifles. When and why were the brass discontinued ? None of my original T rifles have the brass plate till post war and I have only seen one original T with the brass. Several obvious reasons have been put forward like war time material needs for brass to cost. What opinions can I get here ?

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    MJ, don't take this personally, but that's crap.
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    I think it was simply a case of Zinc alloy being more suited to austere wartime mass production.

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    Brass was a valuable strategic material so cheaper alloy was a wartime expedient. mazakicon butt plates were never declared obsolete, just obsolescent so new mazak spares were issued as replacement parts well into the late 60's.

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    Thank you Peter and mrclark303.

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    For what it's qworth, the Knowledge Libraryicon seems to indicate that Trials T's carry brass butt-plates
    1933 Enfield No.4 Mk1(T) "Trials Rifle"

    whereas [at least some] Savage T's carry mazakicon plates
    https://www.milsurps.com/content.php...le-(less-scope)
    as do Long Branch T's
    1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) TP Sniper

    So, given that the New World was blessed with an abundance of metal resources, maybe it was to do with a non-glinting butt-plate, rather than metal shortage - or am I way off beam here, Peter?

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    TRials T's weren't wartime production Rob! Yep, non glinting didn't come into the equation either because the brass butt plates were to be left to dull naturally in any case - as were the mazakicon ones of course. Except when we fitted and polished them as apprentices, when they had to fit perfectly and gleam!

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