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Lou Cypher making a usuable 4T, I need... 01-16-2018, 02:23 PM
Lee Enfield 1. is your scope optically... 01-16-2018, 04:38 PM
Lou Cypher 1. Yes, this is the first... 01-17-2018, 04:22 AM
Lou Cypher It's seems that my front pad... 01-17-2018, 05:07 AM
Peter Laidler If I read it correctly Lou,... 01-16-2018, 04:46 PM
Daan Kemp Seems to need some careful... 01-16-2018, 11:53 PM
Lee Enfield The pad is above the side of... 01-17-2018, 12:10 AM
Jsne Where do you buy the bracket/... 01-17-2018, 12:48 AM
tbonesmith The situation you have is... 01-17-2018, 04:52 AM
Lou Cypher It's common, so..is it the... 01-17-2018, 05:45 AM
tbonesmith This happens with all the... 01-17-2018, 05:13 AM
tbonesmith I don’t particularly think... 01-17-2018, 06:40 AM
Lou Cypher So, it's normal to get some... 01-17-2018, 01:27 PM
Roger Payne It also doesn't help that the... 01-17-2018, 07:03 AM
Peter Laidler I say, when making a replica,... 01-17-2018, 10:32 AM
Badger Not sure if this is helpful... 01-17-2018, 01:30 PM
Lou Cypher Thank you Badger, I'm already... 01-18-2018, 07:45 AM
Jsne Mine was Accumount as well,... 01-17-2018, 03:02 PM
CINDERS Here's jsne's thread on the... 01-18-2018, 09:25 AM
Jsne First you need to measure out... 01-18-2018, 12:08 PM
Lou Cypher I have the book, no worries,... 01-18-2018, 03:28 PM
CINDERS Bottom of page 94 then pages... 01-18-2018, 08:52 PM
Surpmil At the risk of speaking out... 01-18-2018, 09:29 PM
Lou Cypher The distance of 250 yards is... 01-19-2018, 03:26 AM
Jsne What you need is the optic... 01-19-2018, 12:47 AM
Jsne Some advice with the front... 01-19-2018, 02:06 AM
CINDERS These are about as accurate... 01-19-2018, 03:44 AM
Lou Cypher For me, I get : Yellow... 01-19-2018, 07:06 AM
Jsne Hmm As I see it it is only... 01-19-2018, 08:22 AM
Lou Cypher The measure is as precise as... 01-20-2018, 04:21 AM
Jsne Hi again As mentioned I have... 01-19-2018, 11:32 AM
CINDERS 0.2500" within reason its as... 01-20-2018, 06:08 AM
Lou Cypher I get 0.2900", which is not... 01-21-2018, 12:43 PM
philb when I did my No4T, followed... 01-20-2018, 04:54 AM
CINDERS Front pad pics 01-20-2018, 06:23 AM
Jsne Hi again Some new... 01-21-2018, 11:07 AM
harry mac Am I looking at the pic... 01-23-2018, 06:57 PM
Lou Cypher You're right, it needs some... 01-25-2018, 12:21 PM
CINDERS Why not go with a Fultons... 01-25-2018, 07:51 PM
Lou Cypher In the current case, I... 01-28-2018, 04:50 AM
tbonesmith While the Fulton’s mounts are... 01-25-2018, 09:03 PM
Roger Payne I think what T bone is saying... 02-01-2018, 08:27 AM
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Surpmil I would assume the rifle was... 02-06-2018, 10:50 AM
Lou Cypher As Fas as I understood, when... 02-06-2018, 12:22 PM
CINDERS I think somewhere some one... 02-02-2018, 09:05 PM
Peter Laidler If everyone just followed the... 02-03-2018, 07:34 AM
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    making a usuable 4T, I need help!please

    Hi gents,
    Finally, after 5 years of long wait, I started to fit a repro bracket with a n°32 MkI.
    I read, read again, and drunk a lot of whisky as described in the nice documentation written by Mr Laidlericon. I'm sticking to any step described, and everything was going well until the fitting of the rear pad. When I aim a DAP at 250 yards through the barrel and set the drum to 250 yards on the scope, the grat on the DAP, my rear pad is positioned as follow ...
    I measured the pad, the bracket, the size shows some minor differences with the blueprint, but not at a point to get so much gap. What did I not do? what should I do to correct this, if possible..
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    1. is your scope optically centred?
    2. your front pad is too high (assuming that your scope is optically centred)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Enfield View Post
    1. is your scope optically centred?
    2. your front pad is too high (assuming that your scope is optically centred)
    1. Yes, this is the first thing I did.
    2. I measure 0.02 inch of difference in between the dimensions described in the blueprint and my actual pad, if I'm correct of course, 0.89 inch Vs 0.87 inch (bottom of the front pad and the center of the thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    If I read it correctly Lou, you are saying that there is too much gap between the rear pad and the body. - that we can see on the photo. I suspect that you have not collimated or rotated the telescope to get the tip of the pointer , the optical axis of the telescope aligned with the mechanical axis of the telescope.

    Or, alternatively - or both - you need to swing the rear of the telescope to the right so that the rear of the bracket sits closer to the rifle. You can do this by carefully filing the inside rear of the front pad to swing the bracket to the right at the rear.

    You really should be doing this work with the rifle stripped down. It will be much easier!
    I guess that my scope is collimated, https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=48787&page=2, first thing I did, according to your article.
    My problem, is that for me, the rear pad is to high on the body if I want to get the grat on the DAP at 250 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsne View Post
    Where do you buy the bracket/ pads?
    When I made my repro T i have a simular problem.
    It endet up with I have to make a new front pad.
    I was 1,6 mm too high.

    Jsne
    I bought it to Accumounts. When I received the pads, I measured it and compared, there was not that much diffrences. But anyhow, I've an abnormal situation.

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    It's seems that my front pad is the faulty part. Can somebody measure the following lengthes, the yellow and the red,please.

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    If I read it correctly Lou, you are saying that there is too much gap between the rear pad and the body. - that we can see on the photo. I suspect that you have not collimated or rotated the telescope to get the tip of the pointer , the optical axis of the telescope aligned with the mechanical axis of the telescope.

    Or, alternatively - or both - you need to swing the rear of the telescope to the right so that the rear of the bracket sits closer to the rifle. You can do this by carefully filing the inside rear of the front pad to swing the bracket to the right at the rear.

    You really should be doing this work with the rifle stripped down. It will be much easier!

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    Seems to need some careful filing to make the two fit properly.

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    The pad is above the side of the receiver. Filing for fit is still off in the future.

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    Where do you buy the bracket/ pads?
    When I made my repro T i have a simular problem.
    It endet up with I have to make a new front pad.
    I was 1,6 mm too high.

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    The situation you have is very common with the accumounts. In this situation I usually machine a shoe that packs you off the body like your shim does, except it also gives you a register to the shelf below. Once drilled and tapped and soldered in situ you can file or mill off most of the excess material above the receiver.
    I’ll try and dig up some pics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonesmithicon View Post
    The situation you have is very common with the accumounts. In this situation I usually machine a shoe that packs you off the body like your shim does, except it also gives you a register to the shelf below. Once drilled and tapped and soldered in situ you can file or mill off most of the excess material above the receiver.
    I’ll try and dig up some pics...
    It's common, so..is it the front pad which is faulty?

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