8x56R Hungarian vs. 8x56R Portuguese?

[1903Collector]

Does anyone have info of the differences, if any, between 8x56R Hungarian vs. 8x56R Portuguese v. 8x56R MANNLICHER ammo in dimension or powder load and pressures? Ive got a fine Kropatschek that will accept 8x56R Portuguese, and Ive found brass for both the Portuguese 8x56 & 8x60, but I am curious of the 8x56R Hungarian & 8x56R MANNLICHER.

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[Bruce_in_Oz]

Wasn't the 8 x 56R Portuguese a smokeless rehash of the 8mm Guedes cartridge?

The 8 x 56R "Hungarian@? As in the 8 x 56R Steyr? MUCH more lively loading than the Portuguese, Fired in the dinky Steyr straight-pull carbines, it made the 7.62 x 54R in a Mosin Nagant M38 carbine seem comparatively docile.

In a similar vein are the two fat, rimmed, 8mm rounds for the Siamese Mausers.

[oldfoneguy]

The 8x56R and the updated 8x60R Portuguese fired in the Styer Model 1886 Kropatschek had to be of limited power as they were used in a rifle with no locking lugs only the bolt handle root as the safety measure.

Compare that with the more modern 1895 Styer straight pull which although it was a rotating bolt head still had 2 forward locking lugs making it a much stronger action designed from the start for smokeless powder. That 8x56R Hungarian round kicks like a mule in the full size rifle the carbine is just ridiculous.

[Ovidio]

I didn't find any info about a 8x56R Portuguese... Only the 8x60R. On my usual sources.
That is strange.

[jamie5070]

The only physical difference between the two Portuguese cartridges is the length of the neck. I have a 1000 rd box of blanks. Most are shorter.