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    Modifying Actions, Safely

    I found an Ishapore 2a1 barreled action that has been sporterized and I would like to use it for the starting point of a blasphemous project. Provided I can find a machinist to make the cuts, is this action still reasonably safe, with 308, if someone made a magazine cut off cut. It likely has not been attempted by someone after the arsenal, but it seems like a fairly simple cut for someone who knows what they are doing. To my untrained knowledge, the original cut off actions are the same as the ones without the cut. They are the same strength, within the parameters of 303.
    Is it plausible that a 308 action with a cut off is still safe?
    Now on the subject of woodwork, if I restock with walnut, do I need to cut my own Ishapore screw so my stock doesn't split, or can this be omitted?
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    Personally I would not use an Ishapore for a 308, it is (as it says on it) it is designed for the original 7.62 NATO round (144-150 grain).

    The Ishapore Proof Master wrote an article some years ago about how the proof testing of the No1 Mk3, when converted to the 7.62 resulted in the action twisting and jamming the bolt, 1000's of rifles had to be rejected and scrapped. the proof test was subsequently 'modified' so that the rifle passed proof testing, but it is very marginal.

    Using 308, or even 'modern' heavier 7.62 loads will put the action under extreme stress with a high chance of failure.

    If you must use 308 then 'roll your own' with a 144 grain bullet and a 'light' powder load.

    The 308 and 7.62 have different headspacing, and the 7.62 case is much thicker and heavier than the 308 case, using 308 cases in a 7.62 chamber can result in case failures.

    IT says '7.62' on the rifle, why would you use anything else ? If you car says use 'Gas' would you fill it with Diesel ?
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    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield View Post
    IT says '7.62' on the rifle, why would you use anything else ? If you car says use 'Gas' would you fill it with Diesel ?
    You can provide some knowledge specific to the Enfield without a statement designed to make someone think it's a stupid question. It's not. Lots of guns are labeled one way and perfectly safe for the other. I'd wager countless times more "308" has been fired through commercial M14icon receivers that are marked "7.62mm."
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    A lot of 7.62mm NATO PH T4's used 150grn and under .308 ammo with no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubbs View Post
    A lot of 7.62mm NATO PH T4's used 150grn and under .308 ammo with no problems.

    I'm sure thy have, but we are talking about a No1 Mk3 Lee Enfield already modified to use a different calibe, and failing in Proof.
    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubbs View Post
    A lot of 7.62mm NATO PH T4's used 150grn and under .308 ammo with no problems.
    Which was a No.4 action.
    Just the thing for putting round holes in square heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeRam View Post
    Which was a No.4 action.


    As was the L39, the L42, the Enforcer and others.

    Much stronger action than the No1 Mk3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield View Post
    As was the L39, the L42, the Enforcer and others.

    Much stronger action than the No1 Mk3
    Sorry guys showing my ignorance. I just assumed it would be as strong as it used the 7.62 NATO round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubbs View Post
    Sorry guys showing my ignorance. I just assumed it would be as strong as it used the 7.62 NATO round.

    No problem no one is born with all the intricacies of the Lee Enfield family in their DNA, it takes time to learn the detail.

    The Australians tried to get their No1 Mk3 to function with 7.62 - it wouldn't pass the proof testing so they gave it up as a bad job.
    The Indians tried to get their No1 Mk3 to function with 7.62 - it wouldn't pass the proof testing so they changed the proof test
    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    I already exclusively buy 7.62N for other rifles, as I don't even own a commercial 308 anymore. I know the difference, but when typing on a screen the size of a brick, one tends to make short cuts.

    I'm asking if my idea for the action is reasonably safe if someone could figure out how to make a cut off cut. I seem to think that it should be safe, but that's why I'm asking. The action is already sportered, and I wouldn't be ruining an otherwise original rifle.

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