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    17 Aug 2024 Garand Picture of the Day

    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose
    There are no great men, only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet.

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    When well trained, fed, paid, and led the South Vietnamese did a good job. There are no bad soldiers not made that way by poor leadership and support. With the exception of the occasional loser that is more a detriment than an asset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eb in oregon View Post
    When well trained, fed, paid, and led the South Vietnamese did a good job. There are no bad soldiers not made that way by poor leadership and support. With the exception of the occasional loser that is more a detriment than an asset.
    Agree! We have proof of that in Italyicon. In both WWs, when our soldiers were well lead by officers directly involved in the operations, they always did their dirty job well, if not very well. Otherwise…
    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    The Italians were vicious fighters when it mattered, and respected, as South African army found on occasion in Ethiopia. Unfortunately sependent on outdated, outworn and insufficient equipment, but usually well lead.

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    Just might be a IHC rifle too, best gift to a third world army. Should also include South Americaicon and middle east

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    Ihc

    Robert is right about IHC M1s, there is plenty of evidence that SA rifles were saved for US units, IHCs were given to countries not expected to be front line allies. Back in the 1980s when IHCs were so scarce, collectors always wondered where they all had gone. The police sales from Honduras and other Latin American countries showed they went there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan Kemp View Post
    The Italians were vicious fighters when it mattered, and respected, as South African army found on occasion in Ethiopia. Unfortunately sependent on outdated, outworn and insufficient equipment, but usually well lead.
    Keren…
    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovidio View Post
    Keren…
    ???????
    "You are what you do when it counts."

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    Quote Originally Posted by eb in oregon View Post
    ???????
    The siege of Keren, February to March 1941, was a brutal battle in Eritrea between the Italianicon and Commonwealth troops.
    From February 2nd to March 27th. As usual, the Italian troops fought gallantly, but the higher commands did not understand the importance of the site and did send reinforcements piecemeal, never en masse. At the end, without air cover and running out of food, water and ammunition, ours had to surrender or retreat elsewhere. I have a great book about that battle. I probably read it as a very early teenager for the first time.
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    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    Yes, it was a bitter battle.

    Battle of Keren - Wikipedia
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