real sling?

[G26ster]

Can someone help point out the "obvious" indicators that cause you know these items to be fakes? It would help a lot of us become smarter and wiser.

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[kikokat]

I wouldn't buy anything from George, Mitzi, ABC Leigh, or anyone else in Modesto just on general principles. Lying comes easy to those who practice.
Unfortunately, there are still too many neophytes out there who don't know any better.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

What ever happened to "fraud" on ebay getting kicked off? They say that in their community section.

Maybe income from phoney items is worth more then honesty.

[Mikey51]

The problem is Phil, guys on this forum want pics. The more we post pics, the more we help the humpers, that's the problem. We just give them more details to copy off. Mike.

[Bill Ricca]

Putting the word out is not really the answer. Several items have had the "word put out" on their fakes and the manufacturers changed the production to the point where it is almost impossible to tell a take from a real.

Once the description gets out, the items are changed to adhere to the specifications. I know of several items that have gone that route.

[frankderrico]

G26ster, once the faker (and he is supposed to be an expert) sell's somthing as original and they know it's not, can you ever trust them again?.....Frank

[Hercules Powder]

Neophytes....had to look that one up. Now I know what I am but not sure how it was intended. Hi everybody, this is my first post. Registered on this forum a few weeks ago, have been collecting carbine for a year.

It's a shame people are deceptive; George and his merry little band would probably sell as many parts if they were honest with their descriptions instead of hiding the true origin of the parts they sell.

Like it or not, there is a place for reproduction parts. The fact is there just aren’t enough original parts available for new to the hobby the people like me that don’t have the networking connections with other collectors that may have original parts to sell or trade.

That shaking finger in Georges face should be turned around to any carbine collector that isn’t always as honest as they want others to be.

I would love to only buy original as built carbines, but not sure I would believe the guy selling it?

If you’re thinking I am defending the likes of George, you are dead wrong!

Just my line of sight. John

[frankderrico]

John welcome to the forum. You will get alot of good info here.
If your looking to collect original carbines you can get some excellent advice here from some of the most knowlegable people there is on the subject.
I have often sought out the expertise of some of the members prior to a buying a carbine. Best part is these people are ready to help you willingly.
Looking and finding original parts takes patience, and sometimes advice. It's part of the hobby. Good luck collecting.....Frank

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Hi everybody, this is my first post. Registered on this forum a few weeks ago, have been collecting carbine for a year.
It's a shame people are deceptive; George and his merry little band would probably sell as many parts if they were honest with their descriptions instead of hiding the true origin of the parts they sell.
Like it or not, there is a place for reproduction parts. The fact is there just aren’t enough original parts available for new to the hobby the people like me that don’t have the networking connections with other collectors that may have original parts to sell or trade.
That shaking finger in Georges face should be turned around to any carbine collector that isn’t always as honest as they want others to be.
I would love to only buy original as built carbines, but not sure I would believe the guy selling it?
John

John,

You are probably correct, that he/they (many names), would sell as many parts if he were honest. But he would not get the high prices originals command if he did. There are other sellers, who people here buy from, that sell original parts and also sell reproduction items. The difference is that they say they are reproduction. And their prices reflect that.

This seller's listing act like he doesn't know. He says they were found, inherited, whatever, his explanation changes from listing to listing. Newer people, Don't be fooled by that. This seller knows exactly what he has and they original source. He has been involved with Carbines for about 30 years. In the 80's he was reputable and I bought from him, other people sought him out at shows. He had great stuff and fair prices. But as parts dried up sales dropped until you found more, or a new imported batch of Carbines came to the U.S. and was parted out. I noticed a change with this seller around the early to mid 90's.

My objection is not his selling reproduction items, but misrepresenting them. Newer people to the hobby think they are purchasing original items. They buy them and put them on their weapons thinking and telling others the same.

That is what chaps my hide. As the years pass, so will some of us older collectors. Other knowledgeable people might want to change hobbies or interests. Many of us do not collect Carbines just to have a bunch of guns, that's a side benefit. We would also like to preserve the history of the weapon and our country's use of the carbine as well as other such weapons. Passing this information on to newer and younger people is the way to make that happen.

Who will be around to challenge people like this if we do not keep bringing it up and informing the new people coming to our hobby?

At least that's how I feel.

Jim

[Hercules Powder]

Frank, Thanks for the welcoming, I appreciate it. I purchased trigger housing from Bill Hollinger awhile back. He suggested I check out this forum. You can either credit him or blame him for me joining.

Jim, Point well taken I agree with you completely. For some sad reason the integrity people in this country had when these carbines were made has been all but lost by too many.
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Here is another can of worms.

How do you all feel about guys that are stripping down carbines and sell the parts individually? One guy takes a gun apart then someone else buys the parts to make his better, more complete, more original, or whatever. Is that honoring and preserving our past or distorting it?

This meant to be thought provoking, by no means condemning or inflammatory.